Are you scared

Anagram of Yellowhammer is Orwell Mayhem..........!

I agree with Rosina and GabriellaG54. I voted to leave. Politicians have let us down since the democratic vote and failed to implement changes or negotiate from a position of strength. For years they've hidden behind the EU - taking credit when things go well and blaming the EU when it doesn't! They are very weak inept individuals and the situation has exposed this very clearly. Most of the MPs are remainers and that is why they are constantly delaying any form of agreement. They are greedy, self-serving individuals who care little for ordinary folk and their troubles/concerns.

If it's any consolation, Morethan2, Germany is on the brink of recession, ...

SpringyChicken your post was just string of statements repeated from the right-wing, pro-leave press. Could you explain why, for instance, your first doom-laden suggestion should make anyone feel any better?

Yes, Germany may be on the verge of a recession but it is not caused by any structural problems within the German economy but by the trade wars created by D. Trump in th USA. These same trade wars could/are affecting our own economy. In Germany they will almost certainly start spending thus loosening their zero budget deficit policy. I have no doubt, personally, that this will be well thought out and carefully applied. When I look at our own government of charlatans and liars I do not have the same confidence.

Germans haven’t felt too much pain from weakening demand for the country’s export goods, especially cars and machinery. Unemployment dropped to a record low of 3.1 percent at the end of June on the back of a healthy services sector and domestic demand. **

So perhaps you could go through your reasons to feel confident about leaving the EU SpringyChicken and give a reasoned explanation why you feel that should be the case for each of them. Otherwise, I'm afraid I for one will actually feel less secure that my future depends on the votes of people who read and repeat that sort of claptrap - but I am sure you can put my mind at rest.

** www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-14/germany-needs-a-recession-to-start-spending

The average net contribution by the UK to the EU between 2012 and 2016 was 8.1 billion (ie 8,100,000,000) Using a population of 66 million that works out at £123 per person per annum. Not a lot (for most people) I would have thought,

I do fear for the future of our country definitely

An MP has no superhuman powers.

No they don't but we choose them to represent us and the have the resources and time to (generally) gain more of an understanding than we can. The democracy we have does not seem to be the one many want but that doesn't change it into any other type of democracy. The last time the actual "will of the people" was assessed was at the last election, when we ended up with a government that could only take us out of the EU if more than the MPs in the governing party voted for it. They haven't and the won't and the actually do represent "the will of the people" under our constitution.

I am concerned (as a remainer) and having read Yellowhammer (including knowing the contents of the blacked out part), plus many other pieces of info regarding food & medicines shortages etc etc. BUT I'm feeling a bit better now knowing that the law has just been changed to get a 'no deal' Brexit off the table. I am glad that the MP's did what they did to try and prevent us from crashing out of the EU without a deal. I am with Varian on this.

Hubby and I are definitely worried. With no deal, I envisage the country going into a deep recession, worse than any previous one, as there will also be shortages of essential medications, leading to people dying.

I can’t help but roll my eyes at comments like we need to “just get it done now”. Leaving without a deal will not ‘get it done’, not even close. In addition to all of the awful problems associated with crashing out, protracted negotiations over trade etc, will begin again and go on for years!

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icanhandthemback We are now and have been for hundreds of years a sovereign nation. The EU does not control our parliament or our lawmakers. The European Court of Justice exists to ensure that EU countries and institutions abide by EU laws.

For example Italy has recently been before the court for its failure to prevent the spread of Xylella fastidiosa bacterium which causes disease in a wide range of plants. There have been widespread outbreaks of the disease in Europe but it hasn't reached the UK yet.

There have been several Court rulings connected to employment, most of which benefit the employee. Whilst TM said that these rules would be enshrined in UK law, it is unlikely that Johnson would ensure this would happen. After all, as someone else in a different thread has pointed out, the extreme right want a low wage, relaxed rules economy a bit like Singapore.

Don't forget that the majority of the UK population are, have been or will be employees rather than employers.

I voted against joining in the first place and look forward to leaving, deal or no deal.

I voted to leave, the EU is in tatters with a large majority of its members either bankrupt or in recession and the UK has bailed them out for long enough. We make the highest contributions of any country in there and that money should be invested back into the UK hospitals, transports etc. Trade deals are already being struck with countries we were prevented from trading with previously, we can take back our fishing rights which have decimated our industry and take control of our immigration etc. It's not going to be easy I won't deny that, but in the long run the billions of pounds we pay every year will come back to us and the countries we have to bail out will have to stand on their own two feet. I don't have any political association either, they've all made a complete hash of it but I will be glad when it's sorted.

There is no point in being scared, what will be will be and we'll have to cope somehow.
The politicians will be shielded from hardships as they always are.
I voted remain but would just like to see it done now.The majority voted to leave so we have to go with that.
Whatever happens at least 48% of the people will be fed up.

I voted leave and I am very optimistic over the future. If you look at the queues from the opposite direction I think you'll find the that Europe may be in as heavily impacted as we may be. My cousin posted a speech on FB from the leader of the German opposition party in their parliament saying it was crazy to freeze the UK out s we had been a good ally with Germany in standing against France. Plus around 25% of German cars are sold in the UK and Airbus planes are assembled in Hamburg (I think) with a workforce of 14,000. However, the wings are manufactured in Wales and extra tariffs and delays will/may impact the German workforce. Plus, look at the European products sold here. I know I buy French/German/Italian etc wines, cheeses, food products. I'm not denying there will be difficulties but the EC has as much to lose as we do so it would make sense to come to a sensible deal.
Plus the speech in the German parliament I mentioned earlier - the leader of the opposition stated that JC Junker had said he would make the terms so difficult for us the UK would come crawling on their knees to beg to have Brexit cancelled. To be honest, there was a shout of unsubstantiated from the benches (not sure which) but I'm pretty sure we all have something to lose so a deal of some kind makes sense.

e EU isn't so callous it will deprive people of those?

You talk about the EU as if it was one person making a nasty decision. It isn't. It is a set of rules an regulations that we would have chosen not to be part of. Even if every relaxation of the rules took place and we had a confidence "bounce" for a period of a couple of weeks, at some point the lorries will have to have the right paperwork, etc., the system will be slowed down and JIT will cease to work as it does currently. It doesn't help to anthropomorphise countries and laws.

Hi - I’m new to gransnet but have to comment on this one! I’m in agreement with varian, please don’t take my children and grandchildren with you when you jump off the ‘I’m not worried’ cliff. Nobody has explained why they are not worried or what they think the benefits will be- when the drawbacks are patently obvious. What about Ireland? Don’t you care? I would really like to know what people thought they were voting for when they voted leave. Surely, the information available now must have brought some clarity?

I’m excited too Jillybird ,can’t wait......Sick of all the scaremongering .The day after the vote came through I felt as if I had a weight taken off of my shoulders & had a spring in my step,walked to the local shop & everyone I spoke to felt the same ,had a really good feeling about our future & life in general.Wish they would just get on with it & let Boris do the business.......far better than having Corbyn in power.If Boris fails the Conservatives will be finished & the Brexit Party will flourish!!!!!

I notice the term ‘Europe has as much to loose as we do ‘
Think about that sentence for a moment.
Doesn’t bode well or inspire confidence in leaving

I feel like I have just gone into an alternative universe reading this thread. Why are people looking forward to this? Where do you live that you are assuming you will be immune to the very real problems if we crash out? Do you not care a fig for the people in Ireland? Probably not.

And it is not true.

Any kind of brexit will damage the UK far far more than any other country.

Some EU countries such as Ireland, Belgium and the Netherlands would suffer more than others, but none anything like as much as the UK.

If brexit is not stopped it will be the most appalling act of willful national self harm and the damage also inflicted on our neighbours would hardly encourage them to treat us at all favourably in any future trade negotiations.

Irrespective of whether one voted remain or leave. The law has not been followed. I hope this those that constantly block justice, lose their livliehood, they are supposed to be serving us and not themselves. Leave without a deal. We will deal with it. The ones that can't cope can hide until the rest sort it.l

Saggi - that did make me laugh! How very true!

By the way, I will never feel the same about France's treatment of us. Look how many members of Zparluament have second home, whose family work in Strasburg, Kinnocks a prime example, does it surprise anyone they don't want Brexit, the salaries they earn cannot be matched anywhere. A friend of mine a Lawyer whose daughter is a lawyer in Strasberg, said her daughter was frantic before the vote because her second home would have had to go if we voted leave, as would her free child care, maternity nurse and benifits only dream of. Sorry in bad acne for the typos on this ancient device.

I agree polnan Sun 15-Sep-19 10:57:48
Peonyrose Sun 15-Sep-19 13:58:08

It's never gonna be over unless it doesn't happen. There is no workable solution to Brexit. It's one of the worst things that has ever happened to our country. I despair for the future and what will become of us after this fiasco. This is the worst Tory government we have ever had. They've made us the laughing stock of Europe.