Nanniejc I'm interested in why you felt you had a weight taken off your shoulder. In what way do you feel that the EU literally oppresses you?
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(311 Posts)Before I start I’ll nail my colours to a mast I voted remain. I’m not thrilled with the result but I accept it. I’m a little anxious about all the information of a no deal brexit and I expect most remainers are. I don’t want to start a bun fight but are those of you who voted out are you concerned about a no deal exit? I’m not asking for reassurance just if you feel very confident about the outcome of a no deal.
If “ taking back control” is why people voted to leave, you have only to look at the state of our political leaders and parliament over the last three years, and especially the last three weeks, to have major concerns about their ability to manage to work in the best interests of the country.
Brexit is not a one day event. Negotiations will be ongoing for some time. N. Ireland and Gibraltar are major issues. Trade deals will need to be made. Many other areas eg security, research, need to be worked out.
Who can be trusted to get things sorted?
For me, the question of a deal didn't exist
Exactly, Jillybird.
The appalling deal we now have from the EU has been rejected three times by parliament. So that is dead in the water and the EU has said time and time again, "take it or leave it" - which is fair enough.
Remainers in parliament KNOW the most obvious option is No Deal when we leave. Three years hasn't given us an acceptable deal, so why prevaricate? I believe Remainers are stalling in the hope that Brexit doesn't happen.
They must know it has to happen, so we really do need to break all ties, for the sake of businesses ready to move on, free of the EU. Most have made provision for the transition and the changes which will invariably happen, and their EU counterparts have done the same and feel the same way.
Look at the Remainer hysteria and doom and gloom before the vote! None of the scaremongering predictions - that's what they were, predictions - came to pass. It was embarrassing, given the lofty position of some of these doom-mongers.
There will be a period of transition, naturally, but if we were out now, as we should have been, we would have been moving forward and ascertaining the future in terms of supplies, needs, and further trade deals, including one I am sure we will make with the EU, on terms favourable to the UK and not just Brussels.
Remainer delaying tactics are the most worrying part of the whole thing. Boris has attempted to break the dead-lock, and rightly so.
He has gone up in the estimation of so many people I know, including Remainer friends, who also feel it is crucial that we move on. THEY are exasperated by yet more attempts by Remainer MPs/Gina Miller/John Major, et al, to involve the courts in a desperate attempt to stop Brexit happening.
It's despicable.
This plays right into Marxist Labour hands - destabilisation and chaos suits them down to the ground -and it suits them to prolong frustrating delays. No wonder Eurosceptic Corbyn changed sides and became a Remainer overnight!
We can face the future and we will do it and overcome the inevitable teething problems - so let's make a start sooner rather than later and get out of the EU and move forwards on to better things.
I note that many people who voted Brexit, citing 'getting back control' and 'democracy' as their reasons, are hell bent on denying the huge number of people who did not vote for this debacle their representation. If, as many have said, MPs should represent their constituents who voted leave, why do they pillory and make appalling accusations of treason against those MPs who are representing their remain constituents? What about the rest of us, do we not count?
Dinahmo
"Yet another one who thinks that the millenium disaster didn't happen. You are right in that respect but, thousands of computer specialists the world over worked to ensure that it didn't. This has been said so many times. On one of the other threads a poster confirmed my view as her DH was one of those specialists.
Sadly there aren't thousands of specialists working to ensure that Brexit won't be a disaster."
This tired old reason is completely untrue. Russia, along with other countries did absolutely nothing with regard to the Y2K. And nothing happened.
So enough with that incorrect old chestnut
www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/Y2K-bug/
""Countries such as Italy, Russia, and South Korea had done little to prepare for Y2K. They had no more technological problems than those countries, like the U.S., that spent millions of dollars to combat the problem.
Due to the lack of results, many people dismissed the Y2K bug as a hoax or an end-of-the-world cult.""
I live in Northern Ireland 20 minutes from the border. I voted remain and I am very worried about a no deal.
I am with Morethan2. I also voted remain & have done my best to accept democratic vote. I have stupidly worried about the Brexit fiasco to the extent that it has at times affected my sleep. And there’s not much I can do about it really.
And I still don’t fully understand why so many voted to leave. Nor do I understand the benefits of leaving.
I worry about my money not stretching far enough, about the situation with medications etc But I’m told not to be silly. Well we’ll soon find out I guess.
None of the scaremongering came to pass, ! ?have I missed something is Brexit all done & dusted ?
Perhaps I fell asleep and missed a few years.
I assume you do realise that there will have to be some kind of deal at some stage, unless we're going to remain isolated from the our nearest neighbours forever. Further negotiations can't take place until the issues of the Irish border, citizens' rights and the "divorce" payment are sorted.
Negotiations are going to take years to complete and we can't even start until there is an agreement (deal). Until then, we have to trade with the EU on WTO terms, which will inevitably mean price instability and disruptions to "just in time" logistics. It will also mean uncertainty for UK citizens living in the EU and EU citizens in the UK. At the very least, UK citizens in the EU will have to pay for their own healthcare. There is only one country in the world - and no major economy - which doesn't have agreements with any other country.
There really is no such thing as a "clean break". That's not scaremongering - it's a fact. Meanwhile, Gibraltar will be almost paralysed and I hate to think what might happen in Ireland.
Bridgeit Did a handsome prince come along to wake you up? 
The sky isn't going to fall in on 1 November and I can almost see the headlines now..."See! We told you it was all scaremongering".
With a bit of luck, many of the immediate problems will have been mitigated (although I'm not holding my breath). The problems will come in the weeks, months and years which follow. Jobs will be lost and families are going to be disrupted. The whole thing has cost the country billions, which is money not available for other purposes. Our whole system has been thrown into doubt by all the liars and disregarding the law.
I don't have a crystal ball, but I know enough history to know that the seeds have been sown for major social, political and economic upheaval in the years to come.
You're not being silly, AdeleJay.
I voted to leave, but doubt very much I’d we ever will. The MP’s who are remailers are determined to stop it at any cost. They don’t care what their constituents voted for. Very democratic . And now the Liberal Democrat’s are saying if they are voted in, they will cancel brexit. ??
Personally, it angers me when leavers always say "half the country voted to leave". See below:
Pop. UK 66,04,00
Electorate 46,148,000
Leavers 17,410,742
Remainers 16,141,241
Total voters 33,551,983
Therefore, 12,596,017 abstained.
Would the abstainers vote to remain in a second referendum?
Why will the UK suffer?
If this country has ever been divided it is now and this question is fully enhancing that. Whatever way you voted was your choice.
What has come more to the fore front than ever before is how useless these MPs are.
You don't give a whole country a chance to vote and then faĺl off your chair and hit your head because it's not what you expected and there was no forward planning before hand. Cameron, May and now Johnson!!!
But then again this country is in mess so this is just icing on the top.
I don't see why outs or remainers should be worried because none of them are worth a second thought. What's to be will be.
Mealybug
Why will the UK suffer?
Because remainers will do their upmost to make it so. Then they can smugly say...I told you.
Leavers on the other hand will get on and strive to make their dream of a better life for all Brits a reality. (Including not excluding anyone from medical care etc as some would like to inflict on leave voters).
Everything we read is mere speculation on the part of fervent 'remainers' and fervent 'leavers'.
Of course they aren't. If you choose to do your research properly you would read expert opinion. The idea that we should ignore all experts comes from the ignorance of those who suggest such a thing - including those looking for career advancement such as Gove.
The first line in my las post should have been in quotes.
All the Grans who say they are "excited", why, what for?
Yes, exactly, what are you excited about? The thrill of going to the Co-op and wondering if they will have what you want on the shelves? The thrill of watching your pharmacist ring around to try and get some of your medication? The thrill of bombing and kneecapping in Northern Ireland? The thrill of wondering whether your EU nationality carer will be able/wish to stay?
This might help you understand mealybug
"21 ways no-deal Brexit could hit you"
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/what-no-deal-brexit-what-13419829
Leavers on the other hand will get on and strive to make their dream of a better life for all Brits a reality.
How very noble of you. How are you going to make it better for me? Are you going to sort out my daughter's permit so that she can stay in her job in the EU? Are you going to make up the 20% shortfall (so far) on currency and reimburse the difference? Queue for my medication? Maybe you will pay the medical bills for the millions of Brits living in the EU who will no longer be covered under reciprocal health plans? What a silly thing to say, no doubt said as you stood up and sang the National Anthem because we remainers are of course, traitors.
I actually feel more scared now I have read this thread. We have people who believe that all leave voters will try and make life worse just so they can say "I told you so". These same people actually believe that they, the leavers will be the one who work to improve whatever state we end up in. They are actually saying we are so "them" and "us" that this is what will happen even if they inflict their vision of a "better life for all Brits" on us. But not once do they tell us what this better life comprises.
Could someone, please, spell out what will be better?
I voted remain. and yes I am scared we will leave with a no deal. All I want to see is Article 50 revoked and will therefore vote Lib Dem.
Two things GGMK3, firstly don't hold your breath waiting for any coherent, sensible things which will be better after we crash out, unless of course, you really like roast lamb and it doesn't bother you that your cheap joint is on the basis of the multiple bankruptcies of Welsh ( and other) sheep farmers. Secondly, get your Brexit bingo card out and join us as we joyfully tick off all the cliches that are strangely, starting again on a three year rota. Your first point for free; there are still some saying that 'they' need us more than we need 'them'. that's an old chestnut from the Farage bible.
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