Are you scared

I am impressed that some people knew what they voted for when in is still not obvious what we will get and what hardship we will face. I think a lot of those who abstained at the referendum because they didn't know what to do for the best would now vote to remain. I have 2 in my family in that position! At least the Lib Dems are giving us a bit of hope.

How on earth did we ever manage without the EU . Very well actually .

I voted to leave. I do have reservations about a "no Deal" Brexit, particularly about the possible Border between Eire and Northern Ireland, as well as the impact this situation might also have on Gibraltar. I have never had a problem with immigration to this country, or indeed, foreign nationals of any kind working in our Hospitals, the Hospitality industry or Farming. While the EU has done and continues to do many good things (collaboration and co-operation in Policing and Research for example) I deplore the move to federalism and that fact that un-elected faceless individuals are the ones making many decisions. I do not think that the EU should be able to overrule another country's parliament or laws. Don't worry though - I am now almost convinced that Brexit will never happen. Parliament clearly does not intend that it should. I fear that there will be riots in the streets when or if a further extension is granted, or indeed, when the Politicians overturn the Referendum vote to leave. Great Britain has survived far worse than Brexit, and we would again - IF it ever happens, which I sincerely doubt.

The thrill of bombing and kneecapping in Northern Ireland?

What a hideous Remainer thing to say. is there no limit to the things you'll blame Leavers for?

Brexit will not cause bombings or knee-capping violence. Think about it.

If it happens it will be because lame-brained, small-minded thugs like a bit of violence.

Goods passing through a border, physical or otherwise, does not cause seriously people to decide to kneecap someone who is of a different religion or political persuasion.

Like many Remainers, it sounds as though you are looking for any excuse to ensure Brexit is a 'bad' thing. The sun going down at night is likely to be the fault of Leavers too, before long.

It's pathetic, sore looser projection and pessimism.

seriously 'peaceful and friendly' people - it should have read

How on earth did we ever manage without the EU ?. Very well actually .

How on earth did we ever manage without the internet?. Very well actually .

How on earth did we ever manage without the NHS? . Very well actually .

How on earth did we ever manage without schools?. Very well actually .

etc, etc, etc - really?

rem1997 - this is, you can quote all the statistics you like about how many voted remain and how many voted leave. The fact is, unpalatable as it may be, that more leavers got off their backsides and went and voted than remainers. Which could be taken as remainers not actually being all that bothered, or just assuming that remain would be the winning vote by a landslide and their vote wasn't important.

The fact is, unpalatable as it may be, that more leavers got off their backsides and went and voted than remainers.

Spot on HurdyGurdy. Thank you.

One must question why the Lib Dems and Labour are dead set against a General Election too? Worried by Leaver feeling, maybe?

I am not scared, I am chuffing petrified

Not concerned at all ... my only concern is all this delay. We must get out of the EU social experiment we didn’t mean to be part of A.S.A.P. The only shortages that will occur are any we engineer. What comes into our boarders is up to us ... so we can just wave stuff through the border if we wish.... no shortages no delays. Going out may be different ultimately the EU may hold up some of our exports - but generally not they want the goods. I’d prefer a deal but the box I put an X against said nothing about a deal or any if’s just in or out. Yes they’ve lied through their teeth’s on both sides but I’d still prefer to be out. I do not trust Boris or Corbyn further than I can throw them ( and I’m slight) but I don’t trust European politicians even more.

Thank you Growstuff. I think following the News so closely has ‘done me in’. I am so concerned for my sons & grandchildren.
Maeanna I do also worry on your behalf because I think peace in Ireland/Northern Ireland was so hard won and is so important. And if we don’t get the backstop sorted properly it will likely cause a resurgence of the troubles.

I don’t for a moment think that remainers will crow if there are shortages or Yellowhammer comes true. I think we all want what is best for our United Kingdom. I’m also very afraid that England will be alone in the end, especially if the Scots gain Independence. What’s to stop a united Ireland and Wales also leaving? Hopefully not in my lifetime.

‘A big chunk of the 'real people' of this country have been in hardship for years already.thanks to universal credit,bedroom tax,cuts in benefits,privatisation,and every other way each government tries to claw back some of the 'benefits'& tax credits' they've handed out- which were meant to help,but they've since revoked’

This

I picked up from an earlier GN thread today a URL that allows me to search for EU spending in my area. Pure curiosity. I was genuinely surprised to find it quite marginal e.g. 1-3%.

So I wonder if other GN posters are in areas where the EU spend is significant ?

Day6 Quote [One must question why the Lib Dems and Labour are dead set against a General Election too? Worried by Leaver feeling, maybe?] End Quote.

Day6, the Lib Dems and Labour party will not grant Boris (the Buffoon) Johnson the election he wishes because they quite rightly do trust him to carry out the law as passed by Parliament. When Johnson complies with that legislation then a General Election will be held.

However, Day6 are you still calling for a civil war on this matter as you did on the 28th of August on this forum, as per follows:-

Day6 Quote @28/08/19 [ The civil war stops when aggrieved, sore losers stop belly-aching.] End quote.

Well, are you Day6?

Dinahmo, we are a sovereign nation until the European Court of Justice over rule our courts which they appear to do with regular monotony. We have a veto in some areas, not in others. As I said, I am not 'against' a European Union in some form, just not the one we've got.

Joelsnan : Leavers on the other hand will get on and strive to make their dream of a better life for all Brits a reality.
Sounds like a pipe dream.

What about all our EU nationals who have made great contributions to this country? They are already being marginalised.

Not at all scared.

There is a good article in Mail on Sunday written by David Starkey, a great historian who knows his facts. In one of lines he writes.....
"It is no exaggeration to say that British democracy, which stands in direct line with Magna Carta, is now unravelling before us".

Apologies, should have been "do not trust him" in my above post @16:12, not "do trust him"

Calm down day6.

Starkey is a very right wing historian. Like so many very clever and privileged but neither a neutral voice or one who seeks any truth that most would accept as being impartial, beyond protecting the Tory establishment. In fact, like Grove, Johnson, Patel and that clique, he leave the truth at home or in the past.

I voted firmly remain but after three years of wasted time, uncertainty, a paralysed House of Commons, I just want a decision to move on. I will now accept even a no deal BREXIT so that we pick up the pieces and move forward.

Day6 your posts are truly vitriolic and I hope not represtative of leavers. I shall be interested to see your reply to Grandad1943's post above.

I was undecided until the very last minute and voted leave because l thought it better on balance. My husband voted remain so we cancelled each other out. I feel l was misled and we were given very little information and l wish now l had voted remain. I certainly would if we had another referendum. As it is we are in the worst political position we have ever been in in my lifetime. I have lost all faith in the two main parties as, l suspect, have many others. What a mess.

GillT57 in regard to your post @-16:32 today, I feel that there are quite a number on this forum that "need to calm down."

We have witnessed calls for public disorder and even civil war from forum members who in alternative posts have stated they see themselves rational and considered.

Do these forum members wish to see Britain reduced to the governable status of such failed states such as Syria or Yemon who were both in previous times prosperous countries for their populations to live in.

Considered informed debate on this forum "yes" which should be supported by backup and links.

One line soundbites calling for disorder and war chaos "No", let's have an end to such posts before this crisis takes a turn that no one would have foretold three years ago.

The appalling deal we now have from the EU has been rejected three times by parliament. So that is dead in the water and the EU has said time and time again, "take it or leave it" - which is fair enough.

It seems to me Day 6 that you have your deals in a twist. What Mrs May signed off an agreement which just needed ratifying in parliament. It was not a deal, it was an agreement about leaving; how much is owed, what can be put in place to smooth the change, etc., with a political statement attached. We have yet to get a trade deal but whatever we get cannot be as good as the one we are giving up as that requires membership. If we do not have a withdrawal agreement it is bound to be worse than if we do. This is not project fear or any other meaninglessness catch phrase, it's simply how business works.

Do you have a problem with hideous reality Day6?