Are you scared

icanhandthemback, I don't think you are correct about the ECJ. I think you should check your facts:-

(Extract from the Law Society website)

The ECJ can hear cases from the national courts through the 'preliminary ruling' system. This involves a national court referring a question on the interpretation of EU law to the ECJ. The ECJ decides the correct interpretation and sends the case back to the national court for a final decision. It is still up to the national court to decide issues of its own nation's laws.

The European Commission can also take a case against an EU state to the General Court. These cases ask the court to decide whether the member state is in breach of its obligations to the EU. In some narrow cases, such as a state being a repeat offender and where it has failed to implement an EU directive, the court can fine a member state.

An EU state can also take another member to the court. This does not happen often, only where there is a political interest for the state to ask the court about a point of EU law.

Finally, the court can perform a judicial review of EU law. This means it has the power to review EU regulations and directives and make sure they comply with EU treaties and general principles of law.

Weird! Why do people listen to an alleged "expert" such as David Starkey, when other "experts" are regarded with derision?

PS. Other historians don't consider him that "great".

icanhandthemback I'd be grateful if you could check your facts too.

The UK rarely loses a case when taken to the ECJ.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/news/latest/new-analysis-shows-uk-rarely-taken-european-court

We’ve been in the EU for 45 years, & never managed to change anything from within. We need to get out and sort ourselves out. What makes all remainers think that the EU will continue as it is? The euro is a disaster, only Germany is holding it up & Germany is now in recession. Spain wants to separate, Italy & Greece want out. I’ll bet a Euro or two that the EU will not exist in 10 years time! As for no deal, it’s a daft idea, because both the EU and us will very quickly want a deal, but if we’re out, then it will be more on own terms. As for Yellowhammer, we’ve had lots of these domesday scenarios in the last 3 years, & none of them has come to pass. If you’re worried, do a bit of stockpiling & really cause some shortages. Anyone old enough to remember the great loo paper shortage? - never actually happened, but my mum had 200 loo rolls under her bed !!

But the UK doesn't use the Euro!

How do you work out that the EU will be desperate to offer the UK a deal? Sorry, but that's nonsense. The EU is bigger, richer and more influential than the UK. It's not going to bend over backwards to offer the UK a good deal.

I'd watch out for a shortage of blinkers, if I were you!

The only reason that Labour & the Lib Dem’s don't want an election is they know they have little or no chance of winning.Corbin hasn’t a hope in hell of ever winning an election.Well I’m sick of all the scaremongering & cant wait to leave......if ‘No Deal’ had been left on the table we would have go a better chance of a deal but the traitorous MPs have done everything they can to destroy or stop any chance of a decent deal for our country.I feel sorry for Boris ,he is doing his best to carry out the democratic will of the people but it would seem that the EU is collaborating with the MPs who are doing everything in their power to stop Brexit,it’s disgusting because if Boris is unable to get a decent deal the Brexit Party will flourish.

We need to get out on 31 October so the Government can start the nitty gritty of us being out of the EU. Bring it on! No fears.

GrauntyHelen Novo Nordisk (the largest supplier of insulin in the UK) have stated that there will be no shortage of insulin after we leave the EU. They've had to put the statement out because of the rumour about shortages.

I remember travelling before we came into the EU. We had to get a green insurance card for the car. Special carnet for the caravan. We were stopped at every border to show them and passports. Crossing from France to Spain we had to make sure we did it on Sunday when the heavy goods vehicles were not allowed to cross. There were miles of vehicles parked up waiting to cross during the week. We had to change money at every border. Took up a lot of time off our two weeks holiday.

Not in the least scared!

GrannySquare I live in an area which has received very few direct EU grants because it's generally quite affluent.

Nevertheless, the area's industries (science research, IT and pharma) have received many £billions from EU grants, which are directly responsible for the area's wealth and creating jobs. Those industries are also responsible for a big chunk of the UK's exports.

Very shortly after the referendum, EU funding began to dry up, because it's typically awarded for three year contracts. The full effects still haven't materialised, but already people are being relocated to other EU countries and people here are losing their jobs. That, of course, is slowly but surely having a knock on effect on the whole area's economy.

It is quite shameful that the UK has some of the poorest areas in Europe. Many of those have received large sums in direct EU grants, either though the social fund or for farming, etc.

There is no guarantee that a UK government, especially a Tory one, will replace any of that funding, especially as those areas don't tend to vote Tory.

However, Day6 are you still calling for a civil war on this matter as you did on the 28th of August on this forum, as per follows

Day6 Quote @28/08/19 [ The civil war stops when aggrieved, sore losers stop belly-aching.] End quote

Erm, Grandad, you are not good in the quoting department, are you?

You will find I was quoting another poster who mentioned 'civil war' because of Brexit. The disquiet (ie, the exaggerated 'civil war' some Remain poster believed had happened) had been manufactured solely by Remainers not accepting Leave voters had outnumbered them in the referendum.

Go back and look Grandad.

Love and peace, etc.

Chipski
That's not the sort of post that some posters want to hear.
I was aware of this information ( and lots more) a long time ago.
I'm going to keep this post as I have a feeling in my water that some posters are still going to deny the information.

I voted leave. The public has been mis-sold the EU as a trade thing when it is in fact a project for uniting Europe under one control. The clue is in the name - and in what they do - external border, one currency, plans for an army. Not happy with that. I do suspect that the price of independence may be high - although our freedom to act on an international level should mitigate it. But all the discussion seems to be to 'smoke screen' this and talk only of trade. PS Brought up in Liverpool - strongly international and multi racial place. Racism has been hugely worsened by our importing of 'European' attitudes.

We’ve been in the EU for 45 years, & never managed to change anything from within.

Another one who needs to check their facts.

I suggest that you read this factual analysis, with evidence, of what impact the UK had on the EU.

www.indy100.com/article/brexit-twitter-thread-political-analyst-european-union-united-kingdom-united-states-america-7834846

As for Yellowhammer, we’ve had lots of these domesday scenarios in the last 3 years, & none of them has come to pass.

No, it's the same scenario. Failing economy, falling value of GB pound, falling foreign investment, shortage of NHS staff as EU nationals leave the UK, businesses moving to the EU, businesses failing as their EU customers find other suppliers within the EU... And we haven't even left yet. Yellowhammer just shows how it could become much worse...

Anyone old enough to remember the great loo paper shortage? - never actually happened

REALLY? A lot of us would have been glad of some of those 200 loo rolls stashed under your mother's bed...

Chipski According to Diabetes UK, the UK has a one month supply of insulin, but the future is still uncertain. Insulin has obviously made the headlines, but there are other drugs, a shortage of which will have a huge impact on people's lives.

In any case, I'm more bothered by the medium and long-term effect of Brexit. To an extent, Yellowhammer is a diversion from the real issues. There aren't even any details about Ireland and Gibraltar.

sandelf Please check your facts!! There are no plans for the UK to join the Euro and the so-called European Army is no different from NATO. Given that Trump has moaned about the contribution the US makes to NATO, it wouldn't ne a bad idea for European countries to think about a common more European-centric defence force.

More Leaver scaremongering!! Ggggrrrrr!!!

How can a club survive when so few pay in and so many take out?

PS. Please could you explain your last sentence. How have "European" attitudes worsened racism? Baffling!

Easily Milo. For a start, everybody does pay in. Secondly, ask yourself why Germany pays in more than any other country. It does it to provide a stable market for its own exports.

Cooee petra. Have you come up with a solution to the Irish border yet? Or don't you care?

Doreen The first thing the government will have to do is negotiate a deal. It can't do anything until that's sorted. How do you propose the first condition about Ireland is sorted?

I am a type 1 diabetic on insulin, have M.E. and depression,so worried about medication availability. I am not making any attempt to stock up any more than I normally do in my monthly repeat prescription, as I feel that would make it worse for other people. BUT if the supplies of insulin are unobtainable for long, I, and others in the same situation, will simply die.

We have in this United Kingdom a democracy in which its elected parliament is the highest accountable authority within this nation. That Parliament has brought forward legislation which states that the Executive within this government must achieve a withdrawal agreement for Britain to leave the European Union or seek an extension of Britain's leave date beyond the 31st of October. In the foregoing, the legislation passed by Parliament could not be clearer.

However, we have a Prime Minister who states that he will not under any circumstances request the EU for the above extension, and in that is being supported by many both inside and outside Parliament to flout that legislation and break the law.

Should this Prime Minister follow through on what he has stated and been encouraged in, I would then ask those who support such action "what then", for once the rule of law is broken at such a high level this nation becomes without credible governance and without credible law.

The law is there to protect all who reside in this country and must be seen to be adhered to by all from the highest and most privileged to the least privileged and most vulnerable.

Without respect and adherence to all the legislation which offers and makes Britain a civilised society, we have nothing.

The prospect of the loss of that " rule of law" should make all afraid, and in that think deeply on.

morethan2. To answer your question. Not scared at all! Looking forward to leaving very soon.