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How dare brexiteers jeopardise my daughter's life!!

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mcem Mon 23-Sep-19 18:25:25

My daughter has serious chronic health problems.
After an ileostomy, she depends on drugs to keep her digestive system working.
She has serious kidney problems with resulting UTI's and so needs specific antibiotics. Her GP today, while prescribing for her latest UTI has given her several weeks worth of antibiotics as a precaution. She'll inevitably need them over the next few months so now has a reserve supply.
Meantime, her father (my ex husband but a good friend) is equally concerned about his diabetes med's.
One brexiteer declared in a vox pop interview last week that he is prepared to do without his insulin if it means brexit goes ahead!
Well tell that to my daughter's two children (9 and 10)!!
How can anyone in their right mind accept/condone the fact that it's becoming ever clearer that normal folks like my family may suffer badly because of their short-sighted and uncaring attitudes - and that's before we get into the economics, the dishonesty and the self-serving politics of this chaos!

mcem Mon 23-Sep-19 19:57:13

No GG I am content meantime to direct my ire at you and your selfish ilk.
I have written and emailed many times over but with the dishonest and manipulative government currently in power have so far not managed to have the dishonest referendum result overturned.
Bear in mind that remain voters have in no way endangered your family.
Wonder how many GN posters will rush to agree with you?
I'd guess not many as most on GN have not lost their last vestiges of humanity even if we don't see eye to eye over this political debacle.

growstuff Mon 23-Sep-19 19:58:02

… and those who still manage to keep their eyes and ears covered.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:00:12

Well I'm prepared to comment Whitewavemark and to say to a brexit supporter that they "voted knowing people may die" is quite frankly ridiculous not to mention grossly offensive.

If you can do so then please feel free to show me actual evidence in the run up to the referendum that Brexit would put lives at risk due to the shortage or non existence of life saving medical treatment and/or drugs.

Maybe we some members here who didn't bother to vote. Maybe you'd like to make your outrageous allegation to them.


Whitewavemark2 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:03:00

All leave voters continue to maintain that they knew exactly what they voted for.

So my allegation stands. We were warned that this would happen amongst much else. So you voted knowing that people’s lives would be in danger.

mcem Mon 23-Sep-19 20:06:06

How about the fact that any warnings about the dangers of brexit were written off as Project Fear and therefore meaningless?
Have you read the Yellowhammer documents?
Have you seen the findings of lies and dishonesty?
Just stick your head back in the sand and sing lalalala!

LondonGranny Mon 23-Sep-19 20:11:19

I know Leave voters who truly believed it would be good for the NHS. Not everyone has the benefit of reading everything closely & thoroughly and carefully fact-checking If Facebook was anything to go by there were far more Leave ads and a definite campaign of dodgy info. I think the Remainers really messed up actually by doing a lacklustre campaign. I also know people who didn't vote either way because they really didn't know who to believe.

Joelsnan Mon 23-Sep-19 20:11:41

I thought only ‘Leavers’ ignore experts, yet when told by experts that there should be little or no issue with medication, Remainers cannot believe this as it does not conform to their Brexit chaos theories.
There have been problems with medication supplies for more than three years. The BP tabs I was on started being difficult to get and then disappeared completely due to supply problems and this was more than three years ago. Some of my current medications are never in stock at the chemist and I have to wait for them.
Who supplies the rest of the worlds medicine needs? It certainly aint the EU. In fact India is probably the most significant pharmaceutical supplier.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:13:11

We were warned about many things Whitewavemark things that didn't happen for example in the aftermath of a majority vote we would go into recession, that there would be an increase in unemployment.

Being warned that something may happen is not producing evidence that it in all probability will happen. So you can stand by your allegation, and I will stand by my outrage at your allegation.

I asked for evidence of this warning and you have yet to provide any.

It's a shame that there can't be a sensible and mature discussion mcem. The Yellowhammer documents weren't available prior to the referendum and their were lies and dishonesty on both sides.

LondonGranny Mon 23-Sep-19 20:15:29

I voted remain but I've always been pro-EU, even back when it was the Common Market, mainly because of WW2 and the lessons of history. I read very little campaign info because I already knew what my heart & head said.

GabriellaG54 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:18:32

I wouldn't have directed my displeasure at remain voters had the result been the other way but then I play fair. You have your bote and I have mine. If my ace beats your lose, it's that simple.
I can't be taking everyone's medical problems or workplace redundancies into account when I vote.
That's wholly unrealistic and I'm almost certain that you wouldn't be magnanimous enough to take my circumstances into account if the boot were on the other foot.

GabriellaG54 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:19:23

bote vote

Whitewavemark2 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:20:36

Of course there was warnings I have a book written by Ian Dunt published before the referendum which outlines these problems. I outlined them in GN before the referendum.

A law professor in Liverpool gave lectures on this, which I put onto GN before the referendum.

If you didn’t know, then shame on you for not informing yourself before such a critical vote.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:24:06

gabriella no one expects you to take on other people issues - in fact you would be the last person I would turn to, - but by your vote you have potentially condemned sick people at the very least worry and stress and at the worst death.

Even the government has accepted that there will be unnecessary deaths

GracesGranMK3 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:28:22

And yet again one Gnetters makes it all about her.

Urmstongran Mon 23-Sep-19 20:34:24

Thank you GrandmaJan for your reassuring post (Mon 23-Sep-19 19:45:45)

It’s good to hear the voice of reason from a professional within the NHS.

Maybe this will go a long way to reassuring mcem

Summerlove Mon 23-Sep-19 20:35:37

to say to a brexit supporter that they "voted knowing people may die" is quite frankly ridiculous not to mention grossly offensive.

Do you really believe that people didn’t think that people could die because of this? With so many supplies that go into life-saving medications manufactured in other countries, I think it’s “grossly offensive” that people didn’t think that through. We are supposed to take care of each other as a race. But it’s increasingly obvious that people only care for themselves.

mcem Mon 23-Sep-19 20:35:40

I based my op on the fact that my own daughter's own gp is seriously concerned.

Not on theory, not on political debate, not as a way of countering the arguments of brexit supporters, but as an individual who has serious concerns about members of my own family.
Not an off-repeated anecdote, not a "vox pop" but as the result of a call from a distressed young woman immediately after a gp consultation.

I did not decide to write the op using my daughter's situation to justify my brexit concerns but as personal evidence that my concerns are justified.

Can't the naysayers take a step back, think objectively for a moment and attempt to see my point of view?

M0nica Mon 23-Sep-19 20:41:20

Gabriella I hope that if the result had been the other way round. Remainers, would realise just how tight the result was and while, remaining in the EU would do everything they could to take on board leavers concerns and address them directly or through the EU.

The next time someone says 'The people of Britain voted for Brexit' They didn't, a bare majority did.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:42:09

I do see your point of view mcem but for a poster to accuse those who voted for Brexit that they "voted knowing people may die" is outrageous.

mcem Mon 23-Sep-19 20:44:36

That is not what I said.
I did say that genuine reservations were ignored and written off as Project Fear because such reservations did not suit the pro brexit arguments!

Whitewavemark2 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:45:02

Oh no ug you can’t be so complacent, loads of doctors have warned of the issue. The BMA and Dr Nicholl, have raised the issue of drug shortage. Remember how rude Rees-Mogg was to him, for which he was forced to apologise?

There will be drug shortages.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:46:41

mcem No I said it, and I see it as a fact.

Leavers knew the risk they chose to take it both for themselves and by default sick people.

Smileless2012 Mon 23-Sep-19 20:47:13

I didn't say you did mcem, it was posted by Whitewavemark and as you've posted since I challenged her, I assumed you would have known who I was referring too.

mcem Mon 23-Sep-19 20:55:07

Bottom line smileless without the nit-picking is that

my DD's supply of med's is jeopardised

this is apparently due to brexit-related problems

you, and others who agree with you, voted brexit without understanding the implications despite the warnings


Simplistic perhaps but so is your "explanation/justification".

varian Mon 23-Sep-19 20:56:33

It is quite possible that many leave voters did not think that people would die because of their vote.

They did not know what they were voting for because they were fooled by the leave campaign liars.

Now they do know better it is time for them to admit that they made a very serious mistake.

I really don't think that they ever intended that other people should suffer and die because of their ill informed vote.