How dare brexiteers jeopardise my daughter's life!!

Brexit or no Brexit, do you honestly believe they are just going to let people die? I really cannot believe that.

Why not Fiachna50. We have descended into "strong-man politics" and there is nothing more these would be dictators want than a war. That is just what the Brexiteers think this is. Until recently the casualties where mainly among the young men who fought. All too often now the casualties are civilians, mainly the old and the young. In this pseudo war why would things be different to the other current wars.

Gabriella has already regaled us with how Tories think. I do not think "Boris" will stop his plans to be King of the world because of the deaths of few old people, do you?

Ps I did see the interview with the martyr who'll forsake his insulin for the cause of brexit!

Pardon me if I prefer to heed the concerns of my DD's gp rather than your Pollyanna philosophy!
By the way emails to my MP simply confirm he is voting and speaking in HoC just as I'd want so he needs no more urging from me.
It's BJ and co who are listening to no-one but their fellow idiots.
Oh and I'm so sorry if you are offended by my genuine maternal concerns and choose to brand them hysterical!
I am pleased that you have no worries about your med's but forgive me if that's not the case for all of us.

I find this thread very sad. The blame game is in full swing and the politicians have got you all exactly where they want you- at each others throats. Brexit or no Brexit, do you honestly believe they are just going to let people die? I really cannot believe that. To date I have had my usual medicines no problem. Im sorry to say that anytime I have had medicines unavailable, is due to incompetence. I do not blame pharmacies as they are all under immense pressure with the ever increasing house building that is going on with no infrastructure in place. However, that is another debate. The hysteria on here is unbelievable. I in no way blame either Remain or Brexit voters for any medical shortages. It is time this government and the politicians got the finger out, grow a pair and reassure people about their fears. I didn't hear the story of the man re the insulin, but that too is hysterical nonsense. Its time everyone calmed down and really thought about things. If you have genuine concerns re your medicines, take it up with your MP/MSP. That is what they arè paid for. Please stop fighting one another.

Doodledog
No its not a game, but it is a case of who can frighten who into submission.

I don't think for a moment that many people voted Leave 'knowing that people would die'; but now that we do know that this is the case, I would have expected people to take stock and maybe reconsider, rather than thinking in terms of 'winning' and 'losing' with winner taking all - that is just breathtakingly callous.

This is not a game. It's not about pendulums, or boots on feet - it is about people dying, who need not have died.

It is quite possible that many leave voters did not think that people would die because of their vote.

They did not know what they were voting for because they were fooled by the leave campaign liars.

Now they do know better it is time for them to admit that they made a very serious mistake.

I really don't think that they ever intended that other people should suffer and die because of their ill informed vote.

Bottom line smileless without the nit-picking is that

my DD's supply of med's is jeopardised

this is apparently due to brexit-related problems

you, and others who agree with you, voted brexit without understanding the implications despite the warnings

Ergo.............

Simplistic perhaps but so is your "explanation/justification".

I didn't say you did mcem, it was posted by Whitewavemark and as you've posted since I challenged her, I assumed you would have known who I was referring too.

mcem No I said it, and I see it as a fact.

Leavers knew the risk they chose to take it both for themselves and by default sick people.

Oh no ug you can’t be so complacent, loads of doctors have warned of the issue. The BMA and Dr Nicholl, have raised the issue of drug shortage. Remember how rude Rees-Mogg was to him, for which he was forced to apologise?

There will be drug shortages.

That is not what I said.
I did say that genuine reservations were ignored and written off as Project Fear because such reservations did not suit the pro brexit arguments!

I do see your point of view mcem but for a poster to accuse those who voted for Brexit that they "voted knowing people may die" is outrageous.

Gabriella I hope that if the result had been the other way round. Remainers, would realise just how tight the result was and while, remaining in the EU would do everything they could to take on board leavers concerns and address them directly or through the EU.

The next time someone says 'The people of Britain voted for Brexit' They didn't, a bare majority did.

I based my op on the fact that my own daughter's own gp is seriously concerned.

Not on theory, not on political debate, not as a way of countering the arguments of brexit supporters, but as an individual who has serious concerns about members of my own family.
Not an off-repeated anecdote, not a "vox pop" but as the result of a call from a distressed young woman immediately after a gp consultation.

I did not decide to write the op using my daughter's situation to justify my brexit concerns but as personal evidence that my concerns are justified.

Can't the naysayers take a step back, think objectively for a moment and attempt to see my point of view?

to say to a brexit supporter that they "voted knowing people may die" is quite frankly ridiculous not to mention grossly offensive.

Do you really believe that people didn’t think that people could die because of this? With so many supplies that go into life-saving medications manufactured in other countries, I think it’s “grossly offensive” that people didn’t think that through. We are supposed to take care of each other as a race. But it’s increasingly obvious that people only care for themselves.

Thank you GrandmaJan for your reassuring post (Mon 23-Sep-19 19:45:45)

It’s good to hear the voice of reason from a professional within the NHS.

Maybe this will go a long way to reassuring mcem

And yet again one Gnetters makes it all about her.

gabriella no one expects you to take on other people issues - in fact you would be the last person I would turn to, - but by your vote you have potentially condemned sick people at the very least worry and stress and at the worst death.

Even the government has accepted that there will be unnecessary deaths

Of course there was warnings I have a book written by Ian Dunt published before the referendum which outlines these problems. I outlined them in GN before the referendum.

A law professor in Liverpool gave lectures on this, which I put onto GN before the referendum.

If you didn’t know, then shame on you for not informing yourself before such a critical vote.

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Welshwife
I wouldn't have directed my displeasure at remain voters had the result been the other way but then I play fair. You have your bote and I have mine. If my ace beats your king...you lose, it's that simple.
I can't be taking everyone's medical problems or workplace redundancies into account when I vote.
That's wholly unrealistic and I'm almost certain that you wouldn't be magnanimous enough to take my circumstances into account if the boot were on the other foot.

I voted remain but I've always been pro-EU, even back when it was the Common Market, mainly because of WW2 and the lessons of history. I read very little campaign info because I already knew what my heart & head said.

We were warned about many things Whitewavemark things that didn't happen for example in the aftermath of a majority vote we would go into recession, that there would be an increase in unemployment.

Being warned that something may happen is not producing evidence that it in all probability will happen. So you can stand by your allegation, and I will stand by my outrage at your allegation.

I asked for evidence of this warning and you have yet to provide any.

It's a shame that there can't be a sensible and mature discussion mcem. The Yellowhammer documents weren't available prior to the referendum and their were lies and dishonesty on both sides.

I thought only ‘Leavers’ ignore experts, yet when told by experts that there should be little or no issue with medication, Remainers cannot believe this as it does not conform to their Brexit chaos theories.
There have been problems with medication supplies for more than three years. The BP tabs I was on started being difficult to get and then disappeared completely due to supply problems and this was more than three years ago. Some of my current medications are never in stock at the chemist and I have to wait for them.
Who supplies the rest of the worlds medicine needs? It certainly aint the EU. In fact India is probably the most significant pharmaceutical supplier.