The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

Amagran
You use the word 'traumatised'
trauma is the result of an overwhelming amount of stress that exceeds ones ability to cope
Please don't trivialise the word.

Has anyone seen the video clip of the LibDem conference where they sang Tony Blair can fuck off and die. More LibDem double standards. It's on FB if anyone wants to check.

Don’t forget too that Johnson has funding of an American company run by a pole dancer to answer.

That is one issue that isn’t going away very quickly, and could easily be his downfall.

Oh good..
True to form we have the usual suspect defending the indefensible.

If your only defence is to say “don’t look at this, look at that”

It is no defence at all.

I feel very worried that most of them deliberately scuppered any plan BJ might have had, for their own political ends.

And I don't blame him one little bit for the "language" he used yesterday. He was right.

The "pole dancer" thing is desperation on the part of his enemies. It pales to insignificence beside the main picture.

Nobody in the H of Cs cares one iota for the electorate. They are only interested in Grandstanding!!!!

We need an election and those who have been calling for one repeatedly over the last 2 years have suddenly realised that they will not win.

Now they are intent to hang on to their seats by hook or by crook which has the effect of paralysis in all government matters.

I have no respect for any of them. It is like Hotel California combined with Ground Hog Day!!!!!

On the forum which I watch, because it is entirely a leave voters, you can see they wait for the newspaper and other sources to tell them what to say.

You either think last night stepped over a line or not. Simply that.

I just wish they all got so worked up by some of the other things that need fixing. We are all divided already, you can bet half the viewers loved it all and half didn't, at least we can still say what we feel at present. Sweet reason aint going to work.

delete "as".

no, delete "a"

So, there are those that state Johnson was justified in his action due to the behaviour of others,

I believe that reasoning was used when the National Socialist Brownshirts began attacking and killing political opponents in 1930s Germany.

The end justifying the means has been a flawed reasoning used by budding tyrants throughout history, and in that it has never ended well for any nation caught up in such a syndrome.

I did not see one post on here decrying how wrong it was for the wrapper who won a big music prize last week held up "Boris Johnsons severed head" on stage.

John McDonald's "lynch the bitch" comments about a Conservative Female MP (sorry cannot remember which MP he was referring to)

Bollocks to Brexit as a campaign slogan??

Neither side has got the right to claim the moral high ground!!

I don't think those things happened in parliament did they GG13, nor were the perpetrators MPs from what you say.

I tell you what Granny - why don't you go and start a separate thread about what a rapper did last week, or about the Bollocks campaign did, or what someone said about a "lying bitch" and we can all post on that?

This is about what we saw last night in the Commons - our PM basically stuck 2 fingers up at Parliament while his colleagues clutched their sides laughing, and Cox sounded like he was auditioning for a part in some Sunday night period drama with all his blustering and over acting that convinced no-one of anything other than he was not fit to be in office. It was utterly shameful, it was divisive and it played to the very worst values in our society. No about of 'whataboutery' will deflect that - Leavers have to own it - they have to own that behaviour and admit that was what they voted for 3 years ago.

John McDonalds an MP

Lib Dem MPs wore the T shirts and Lib Dem MEPs wore them in the European Parliament with Bollocks to Brexit emblazoned on them!

Do you think it is acceptable for a model of our Prime Ministers severed head to be held aloft on stage at a music award which is shown around the world, without any condemnation?

The behaviour from both sides yesterday was not acceptable.

You honestly think that what we have witnessed from the Tories over the last few weeks equates to the word Bollocks on a t-shirt and a single rapper holding a model of a severed head on a music award stage (an award ceremony that how many of us watched?)?? Honestly?

I bet that you absolutely know there's a massive difference but have nothing to offer except whataboutery.

GranyGravy13 I think you'll find you mean John McDonnell, I don't believe there is an MP called John McDonald.

janipat, thank you, you are right I am wrong.

(Posting whilst rushing to go to AS and DIL who have just returned home with new GS didn't check)

On my funny little forum where that I watch the latest thread is headed "Herr Bercow re-opens Parliament". I am afraid people are so entrenched this will take a long time to play out. The thread was under "chat" by the way. A normal bit of conversation to the Brexiteers apparently.

I am off out now, I suggest you look at the video clip of the Lib Dems conference where they sing "F**k off Tony Blair and die".

Inflammatory and disrespectful!

But not in the same league as the Tories over the past few weeks, obviously - that takes shameful and disrespectful to a new low.

The reason we can't possibly have an election right now is because nobody can trust Johnson to keep his word on timing if one was called. He has lied and used underhand means to get his preferred no deal Brexit up until now, and would no doubt delay until after 31st October. The man displays a complete lack of any moral compass in every area of his life.

I am so ashamed of being British after the last few days activity in London. Living in France, I have many French friends who are aware of what has been happening.
They cannot understand how the PM has been allowed to declare that the Supreme Court decision was wrong.
They say “what’s wrong with a country that allows this sort of behaviour?”

I was appalled and saddened by what I saw and heard last night. The attitude of the Prime Minister did our country no good whatsoever. I have just returned from holiday where I met some Danish people who told me that in general people there thought Boris Johnson was a joke and they were appalled at the behaviour in Parliament.I really do think that they overstepped the mark yesterday. Johnson's dismissive shout of Humbug still rings in my ears. He should be ashamed of himself but I doubt he will be, trying to goad and taunt . I do agree with the poster who said that Corbyn's calmness was such a contrast.I do not want to be represented abroad by a dictatorial Prime Minister who relishes bullying tactics and lacks any sort of empathy. Is he the will of the people?. He most definitely is not mine.

Nuremberg.