The slippery slope - dictatorship anyone?

I believe that reasoning was used when the National Socialist Brownshirts began attacking and killing political opponents in 1930s Germany.

Grandad1943 - likening this to atrocities of WW2 Germany is utterly repellent. You should be ashamed to use such comparisons.

We don't have death camps or anything but some of the language used about, for example, the Judiciary is identical. I was really chilled by that headline "Enemies of The People" which is what Hitler said before removing Judges and replacing them with Nazis.
We don't live in a Fascist state but we must guard against what's happening in this country. The polarisation chills me to the bone.
Trump certainly uses identical language to Mussolini. Johnson stops short of that and I don't think he's a fascist but he's perfectly happy keeping the far-Right onside.

Seems it doesn’t matter what MP’s say publicly just not in Parliament?

As for dictatorship, why only Germany?

It is serious though. I’m not surprised that other Gransnetters were shocked rigid by the behaviour in Parliament.

And inflammatory speech does affect people who are more extreme; it seems to give them ‘permission’ to behave in dangerous ways.

I think the worst thing the PM could have done is to say ‘humbug’ when asked to be more temperate in his language. I do not believe the current Government sets a good example in terms of tolerance. And truly, we are in danger of having a Trump clone as PM for many years if the polls are to be believed. Good grief whatever happened to considerate behaviour & good manners?

It didn't begin with atrocities. It began with the Nuremberg rallies and Hitler ranting about those who opposed him and whipping up country-wide hysteria over the foreigners living and working in Germany, and the disabled and gay minorities.
Open your eyes!

I think the behaviour and language of the far left last night was truly shocking, and much worse than anything Boris said. I was left speechless when they later complained about his choice of words - the words pot, kettle and black comes to mind.

Boris was being attacked from all sides last night, so what do you expect him to do, curl up in a corner and cry? I was impressed that he stood his ground.

As someone said earlier the one person who stood out among the politicians yesterday was Jeremy Corbyn. He was his usual calm and respectful self. I know which kind of PM I prefer.

May I ask Chestnut what words in particular spoken by the far left does she mean ?

Corbyn is clearly not quite as stupid as people think he is. The last thing you do when someone is inciting you to lose your rag is to give them the satisfaction they want...

Funnily enough, isn't that how the supine tory Member for the 18th Century garners his admiring fans? By refusing to lose his cool?

westendgirl I suggest you watch last night's circus to see the venomous language used by several people attacking Boris.

And none of the 'venomous language' was actionable, Chestnut because it was all merely stating the truth.

But I trust that MPs, having relieved their feelings last night, now proceed to ignore JOhnson's incitement to act foolishly. (He wants that VONC and GE so much*). He'd find that much more difficult to cope with.

The choice is JC and his cohorts who think that Venezuela didn’t kidnap and murder enough of those opposing them. Great!

Can't believe that some are here trying to excuse his language- inflammatory doesn't even begin to describe it. But the mention of Joe Cox, and humbug- and today again ... with the extra 'if you want to be safe, vote with me' - are just sick and deranged and hugely worrying. We also went to bed after Newsnight, feeling scared for our children and grandchildren- and truly upset re what is happening to a country we served and loved.

And no, Jane, I am sorry, but your comment is totally irrelevant in the face of such language and behaviour. Are you confirming then, that we should vote one way and no other, to avoid violence, as Johnson says. Me or ... violence ?

(All Parliament had to do was agree to Theresa May's hard won deal then none of this would have happened and we'd be getting on with dealing with issues arising.
ALL parties have been so taken up with their own agendas and squabbling between themselves that I could shake the lot of them. It's more like a nursery than nazi Germany. ) - the language used has nothing to do with a nursery- but very much related to 1933, for sure.

When people in the street use words such as traitor, treason, surrender deal, it is not because they've heard those words used in Parliament, it is because that is the way they perceive the behaviour of those using every trick in the book to stop Brexit happening. I do not in any way condone abusive behaviour but the MPs who are receiving abuse must look to their own behaviour in frustrating the Brexit process too.

Just a reminder that while people may find Bollocks to Brexit, models of severed heads etc. offensive, these slogans and acts are neither illegal nor designed to undermine the law of the land.

Johnson's proroguing of Parliament and his stated intention to ignore the law with regard to leaving the EU without a deal and refusal to ask for an extension of our leave date, are illegal. His, and Cox's, ignorant disrespect and virtual denial of the legality of the Supreme Court's ruling are far more serious than a few legal, if sometimes puerile, acts of defiance.

Without respect for the law by the current or any other government, we as a country are well and truly doomed.

The resemblance between Johnson and Trump becomes closer by the day. They are even both about to be brought down by allegations of corruption.

I didn’t think the post was about the poor choice of leaders we are faced with; I thought it was about the awful behaviour in the House of Commons yesterday & the poo pooing of entirely justified concerns re the safety of MPs and their children by the PM.

Indeed, he told Peston last night- with a smirk- that he would both abide by the Law re asking for extension, and also come out on 31st October - what has he got up his sleeve???

Sorry forgot to add the bit about us heading towards being a dictatorship.

Jonathan Pie analysed this kind of speak very well in his latest video. Can't share as the swearing is very very ripe (and oh I don't blame him) ... but....

In this febrile atmosphere where there is such brutal rhetoric, we only need an economic implosion, which is highly likely with a no deal, then it will be an immensely dangerous time.

what is even more concerning than 'his' words and behaviour, and even more akin to 1933- is that people buy it, go with it, excuse it, and are prepared to support it ...and THAT is seriously worrying beyond worry.

Same with Trump.

It’s all political strategy ( from all sides!) plus some genuine anger ( also on all sides.)
Westminster has always been a bear pit, read the history of it.
This was more bear-ish than normal because of Brexit.
What did anyone expect Johnson to say? His whole political life now hinges on him getting us out of the EU, as he has promised, and I may add, as all (just about) MP’s promised to do three years ago.
Strong language was flung about from all political sides, and yes, insults too.
Jane10 was quite right when she likened it more to the nursery than Nazi Germany ( although some posters do love likening almost anything to that dark, evil regime of the 30’s and 40’s.)

Whatever he is, Johnson is one of the few MPs that is fulfilling the promise they all made when they entered parliament after the 2017 election, that they would honour the result of the Referendum. If he is a 'dictator' what words describe the hypocritical turncoats that are ignoring there constituents wishes?

Chestnut - Boris was being attacked from all sides last night, so what do you expect him to do, curl up in a corner and cry?
He was attacked from all sides because he broke the law, refused to apologise, undermined the Supreme Court, and promised to break the law again.

The antics in the house if commons was shameful. The ministers in the background cheering Johnson in and smirking just showed them in their true light. I do think that we are not that far from a dictatorship. Who could have envisioned the political establishment sinking so low? I wonder what future generations will conclude?