Labour policy - no immigration caps, open borders and free movement.

my goodness terri you are a bit biased.I live in a very working class area ,an area of high deprivation .There are many people who have wee boats on the river and Loch and have had those wee boats for generations .Nothing bourgeoise about them,just folk who like being on the water and catching a few fish .Maybe where you live the things we take for granted are kept for the wealthy ,around here a wee boat or a game of golf has never been a "class" thing ....

It's interesting though that a confirmed Marxist like McDonnell - he wrote "The Significance of Marxism in the 21st Century" enjoys the pricey Norfolk Broads. As a man who earns £90000 a year the price of property and sailing boats won't worry him.

Does he use the NHS? Does he have a chauffeur? Is his boat going to be rented out, and his second home on the rentals market, as well as 11 Downing Street when he occupies it?

We'll see. We will have plenty of time on our hands to examine his lifestyle as we sit in traffic jams and queue up to see a doctor.

There used to be a saying - you cannot fit a quart into a pint pot, meaning you cannot fit something too big into a small space, or that you are trying to do something impossible.

No one objects to diversity or multiculturalism, but we are a small and fairly mountainous/hilly island. There are places where you cannot build new towns and cities. Snowdonia anyone? Many will object to all our green belt vanishing and our infrastructure being put under so much pressure that life becomes harder and more expensive and difficult for everyone, when services are at a premium. Are there Labour plans to build more reservoirs or power stations? Labour has plans to build more hospitals, schools, build more buses and ensure there are new train tracks over the UK I presume?

It is a stupid and dangerous policy, but we must remember that Corbyn doesn't give a fig for the UK, for patriotism, our armed forces or for anyone earning a wage.

In Corbyn's UK we'll (yes us pensioners too) pay for his idiotic policies - physically (in a tightly packed UK) and financially as we see our taxes rise to provide for his completely stupid open door immigration plans.

Deep joy. Bet we are all looking forward to this.

I have read England is the most densely populated country in the EU. Even now we have been told that many young or even not so young, people have never seen a cow or been out in the countryside. Does this matter? It would to me but they don’t miss what they’ve never had. On the other hand, I think it is good for our mental health and appreciation and understanding of the cycle of life, the effects of pollution and a lot of other things, to see as much of the world as possible - and, like charity, it begins at home.
Apart from and in addition to opening our borders we should be more vocal and take action (eg sanctions) against all the wrongs in the world caused by oppressive regimes, we should deal with our own rubbish and not send it to pollute poorer countries, and make wise and lasting overseas investments where it will help people to help themselves.
Meanwhile I await with bated breath to see what else Mr Corbyn will come up with in order to avoid becoming PM!

I have no problem with immigration (my husband was an immigrant), however, I also don't have a problem with there being a vetting procedure - anyone wishing to come here should have a skill which would be advantageous to the country.

Hi Paddyann, hate to tear you away from that lovely heart warming Royal thread, where I can't help feeling you are just an incy wincy bit biased.

However, addressing your assertion of my own bias, surely not I too live very near water, The River Thames to be precise, sadly not the clear crystal waters of your nearby Loch but dark dangerous and murky containing God knows what, so whilst we have the odd wee boat, they don't appear to be used to catch a wee fish or two given the amount of how can I put this delicately, actual wee and worse floating about in my part of river. Heaven knows Westminster is a mere 11 miles upstream and as you constantly remind us, a loathsome place where not only verbal shit vitriol is much in evidence, but well dare I say it, a fair amount of Westminster virtual effluence ends up in the river, so ask yourself with that in mind would you be putting your wee boat out in such dubious waters to catch something, well catch something you may, but suffice to say it won't be nice. So yeah! because the boats round here don't appear to be doing much in the way of fishing, but mere floating pleasure vessels for the hoi polloi, cruising the Thames on sunny days. A sunny day now that is always a hard concept to explain to a native of Scotland, but well lets just say we have many of them and at such times these useless people are found cruising up and down the Thames quaffing Prosecco/Champagne and the like although God knows what they'll imbibe after Brexit. However I digress, on balance I'd say, sailing, cruising, boating, rowing, is very much the pursuit the bourgeoisie. I can't speak for Comrade McDonnell up there on the Norfolk Broads, he did specify his hobby was "sailing" rather than fishing, the latter to my mind implies a kind of -affluence

However what I can share with you is that several times since I've lived where I do The Royal Barge, "The Gloriana" has floated past, once in 2012 I might add with Her Maj on it and being of the plebeian class, we not only doffed our caps but threw ourselves prostrate on the ground in deference as plebs generally do down here. Anyway no doubt, as a closet Royalist you'll be pretty green about that. I might add that the Royal Barge is very gold and blinged up like King Tut's burial chamber, so eat your heart out cos I doubt whether you'll see anything like that floating on your nearby Loch anytime soon

I guess you can always console yourself with the fact that we may have the Royal family down here but you can at least lay claim to 50% of Donald Trump courtesy of his mother. You lucky people

Don't get me started on golf, I live with it

terriBull

you are very funny........do you write professionally?

I can just see Jez and Di on the bike going into E Germany [smile}

pinkquartz how kind I like to think we're all "professional" something or other here on GN, why just look at the breadth of threads and that's just on one subject............and then draw your own conclusions

I'm going to get under my virtual table with my tin helmet on now before Paddyann returns !

I have to be careful walking the dog in Aug/Sept for fear of bumping into a Royal who is climbing, stalking or shooting something. Never felt the need to prostrate myself let alone doff my cap.

My JRT did once growl at Prince Charles, said dog, whose name is Archie is a firm favourite

'you are very funny........do you write professionally?'

is that the new official response then?

Very good Terri? I feel GN needs all the laughs it can get at the moment, as po faced misery preaching seems to be the in thing.
As Mc Donnell has said he would give the keys to number 11 to a homeless family if they get into power ( was he drunk when he came up with that one?) then he will only have two other houses to live in.

When did we breed such idiots that, even with the free education our country gives them, they are prepared to believe something without ever checking to see if it's true, just because it suits their underlying prejudice?

Claim
Labour pledged to scrap all controls on immigration

Conclusion
Incorrect. Labour passed a motion at its party conference to extend free movement and ruling out certain forms of immigration systems. This doesn’t mean scrapping all immigration controls.

Following the conclusion of the Labour Party conference on Wednesday, the front page of the Telegraph’s Thursday edition reported that the party had agreed a policy to remove all controls on immigration.

This is incorrect, *as the Labour party pointed out*.

Why are so many people, who think they have a view on politics, sheep?

fullfact.org/immigration/labour-immigration-policy/

Why are so many people, who think they have a view on politics, patronising?

Excellent TerriBull! Certainly made me laugh despite my burning painful bits!

I’m away, intermittent WiFi. My occasional catch up has me seriously thinking of not bothering,
Ilovecheese, we must live near each other I’m 12 miles from Manchester. Initially I worried this policy would lose labour votes. I’m not convinced it will. There are people who will never vote labour, just as I can never vote Tory.
The £30,000 was set too high - it rules out care workers, young nurses, labourers, builders, etc all people we need. Yes of course we need to train British youngsters but let’s not kid ourselves we don’t need immigrants.
We also do need to build social housing. I disagree with McDonal we shouldn’t sell it, we shouldn’t force private land lords to sell either. We should have fair rents.
Building social housing, improving our infrastructure, rebuilding all our public services, such a familiar need after tears of Tory misrule

It will be interesting to see what goes into a manifesto Iam64. Apparently not all the items passed at the conference are high on the leadership list.

Like you, I would never vote Tory but I will read the other manifestos before I decide.

Vote Lib Dem if you want to Stop Brexit.

some people did get a bit confused at the time, hey.
Seems like some still do.

www.facebook.com/BestForBritain/videos/437726110432481/

You are getting like that twerp outside Parliament varian .... the one with the loudhailer shouting ‘STOP BREXIT!’.

Are you hoping that be repeating the same two or three sentences over and over, on a loop that you will invade our minds and influence our decision? Haha!

You don’t want to be accused of being Cambridge Analytica on legs!

Urmston we know you want to leave the EU. Many of us Leavers respect the outcome of the referendum. Things are different three years on, we do know more. I can see the EU would benefit from reforms, as part of the EU we have influence, less so outside.
One of the issues I struggle with is I much prefer to be part of Europe than outside it, beholden to an American President the rest of the world is horrified by, as are most of us.

Cambridge Analytica was a part of the illegal subversion of our democracy. So no I certainly do not want to be associated with them UG.

I would rather be associated with the majority of UK voters who have wanted to Stop brexit for the last two and a half years.

GRACES GRAN You clearly have never paid your council tax or you would realise that the lion's share of that tax goes to providing education. Any attempt even to extend free movement would be abhorrent to the majority of voters especially those that contribute financially to society. Having travelled widely in Europe in recent years, it is clear that there is a long queue of people, mainly men in their late teens and early 20s, waiting for the opportunity. I think it's time to clarify the standpoint of the majority of people in the country....immigration is not a problem per se, but the scale has to be moderated.

Lemongrove ref. Your comment at 16.16. Am still laughing now. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!!!

You haven’t been around here long enough to notice it Impartial but hang around and you will get the full patronising force from some posters.
No doubt they will question you as to your credentials whilst doing so.
Run for the hills.