Why are "Leavers" so angry?

Rational answers to Grapefruitpip's question is fundamental for at least some remainers to change their minds. Surely, we'd welcome some rational reasons and would definitely like to hear them. I think, having an open mind to both sides of the argument is the key to find our way out of the mess we're in. So, lets try to answer Grapefruitpip's question:-

Could anybody outline simply what they perceive as being the advantages of leaving please?

Advisory?! Surely Parliament should have decided on that advice before signing article 50. Once this was signed you have to presume that Parliament had taken the advice and agreed it, why else sign up for it?! If on the other hand, at the end of the day Parliament was going to decide, why have a referendum in the first place? Trying to appear democratic
when of course you are anything but?! People now realise that they were duped and aren't too happy about it!!

I will keep laughing, thanks jura ....social media is so full of hysteria and OMG type reactions to absolutely everything.

Quite stunned by the sheer rudeness and sense of entitlement shown by some on this site. Throwing insults at people who thought long and hard came to a different conclusion.

No point in stating any leave views because it just brings down a torrent of misguided insults from those who are of the opinion that only their opinion is of value.

trisher....you knew exactly what your OP was unleashing.
I have heard plenty of vitriol hurled at Leavers, both on GN and in real life over the last three years, but wouldn't start a thread saying so, in other words ‘lighting the blue touch paper and standing back’.
grapefruitpip can do her own research, leavers on here have given their reasons time and time again for the way they voted and what they hoped for over the last three years.

Leavers claim they've been ignored.

The truth is that they are the only ones who have not been ignored.

For more than three years politicians have tried and failed to "deliver brexit". Why? because the cake-and-eat-it brexit is, and always has been, undeliverable.

Many who voted Remain were able to see that before the vote. The promises made were incompatible.

You can never have all the benefits of EU membership without being a member state, making your contribution and observing the rules.

You could never have frictionless trade and no border on the island of Ireland or in the North Sea if the UK is out of the Customs Union and Single Market and you cannot have a border in Ireland without breaking the Good Friday Agreement and you cannot have a border in the Irish Sea without compromising the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland .

Most of our trade is with our EU partners or with other countries which have trade agreements with us as an EU member country. A trading block of 500 million plus people will always have much more negotiating clout than a country of 67 million.

The inconsistencies in the promises that were made (and many folk believed) are akin to a PM promising that he will obey the law, yet at the same time saying he will go ahead with brexit on 31st October, even without a deal, which is expressly unlawful. Everyone can see both statements cannot possibly be true, yet they just continue to repeat them.

Now that some Leavers have appeared can we have answers to jura's questions please?

Joelsnan, please just jot down a few points, please. Nothing too taxing or intellectual just points.

OK I'll try myself.

It would be better to leave because

1. Being in the EU costs the UK money and it is a wasteful organisation
2. Being in the EU means we have to adhere to their rules and we want to make our own.
3.Being in the EU means we can't control who comes into our country.

I dunno? Am I on the right lines?

In fairness, for the last 3 years there has not been civil unrest and rioting from remain supporters despite having 'lost' the referendum...

grapefruit .......I see you are taking the ‘less is more’ approach

Very calm lemongrove- how about answering the few questions I have calmly and politely asked? That would be helpful, thanks.

In fairness, there has not been civil unrest and rioting from anyone at all Humpty

Oh jura you do try! However, am sure that all leavers are by now wise to anyone on GN demanding/asking calmly whatever, answers to their many questions.
We had the vote, three years ago, the result may or may not be implemented by Parliament, and that is all anybody knows for certain, unless they possess psychic powers.

Was that answer to which Question lemon? You lost me there.

No riots- some really nasty scenes and threats. But they are definitely getting ready, behind the scenes. Whipped up by Cummings and Johnson, Farage, Yaxley-Lemon, the EDL and BF. Yet ...

This thread was started with the sole intention of getting an angry reaction out of those who voted leave to prove the OPs point.

Of course it was GG13 ( hasn’t succeeded so far.)

Perhaps not lemongrove but as I said only one party has actually come up with a policy that Remainers could in theory support. Surely if they are as agressive as you insist they should be railing at al the other MPs? Instead it is the Leavers who have simply been made to wait longer than they expected who are threatening democracy.

Actually it wasn't *GG13 I genuinely would like to know why Leavers feel the neeed to abuse the judiciary and criticise the due process of government.
It is posssible that they are so used to instant gratification that they are unable to wait for a proper agreement. That they never realised how long legislation and agreement takes. I would think this is a real possibility and it stems from a real lack of knowledge and information about our constitutional and legal history. For example they probably don't realise that legislation for women to have the vote took over 50 years to enact. Which makes the three taken to achieve a Brexit deal pale into insignificance.

It certainly has not succeeded in getting any answers to any questions, for sure.

Rather than repeatedly telling us all how not angry you Leavers are, could you jot a few pointers down on the screen in answer to the earlier questions please? It doesn't need to be too detailed, and given that you're all very clear about why you voted it shouldn't be that hard to do.

Well some leave voters, did/do realise how long negotiations can take, they also realise that you have to keep "something in your back pocket" as a negotiating tool.

jura2 Leave voters on GN have explained their reasons so many times since I have been on GN (2 years) maybe look back over threads?

Grapefruitpip, thanks.

1. the EU does cost money, but we get a lot more back in return

2.No rule has not been with our full cooperation and approval. We have a Veto. Those rules protect standards that keep us all safe, and protect workers, etc. What is wrong with that? The WTO and people like Trump have made it clear that we will HAVE to accept their rules and standards as part of any Deal. We will have no say, and no VETO either.

3. As member of the EU, we definitely could control who came in- via the 3 months rule. The UK CHOSE to not apply checks, this is NOT the fault of the EU.

However, it is clear that Trump and other nations, are stipulating that if we want a Deal with them, we will have to agree to large amounts of Visas for immigrants from those countries.

Hope that helps.

Thank you jura2 and grapefruitpip for your valiant attempts at raising the level of debate to try to get some real understanding of the Leave perspective.
I'm off now for a swim in a relaxing tub of treacle.

Am I alone in being astonished at the badgering of Leavers on some of these threads? None of your business is the polite answer to the question of why did you vote the way you did.

Would you badger a Muslim/Jewish/Hindu convert in the same way?

3b- currently, the French Police and SAS are very effectively controlling the ports of entry to UK. 1000s of SAS type police armed to the teeth on duty 24/7 in Calais, with also massive infrastructure, several rows of very high fences bit razor wire and electric currents- and both French and UK checks done in Calais. This will all go if we crash with No Deal. The illegal immigrants already there know this, and so do all their friends and families on the way or still back home. They are waiting. Fact.