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GabriellaG54 Mon 07-Oct-19 15:23:46

You can bet your bottom dollar that the Misses Wax, Lowe, Stevenson and Misters Fry, Rylance et al are not sleeping on the streets, are still driving or being driven in cars and using their electronic gadgets. Still eating foods transported over thousands of miles, still wearing clothes made outside the UK, still not sorting their rubbish as assiduously as the average Brit, still spouting ignorant hypocritical nonsense.
They make me sick.
All of them, a***** of the first water.

trisher Fri 11-Oct-19 12:03:01

Perhaps a little more thoughtful than condemning them and their children to a planet en-route to extinction gillybob. Did you read about BK? They could change. They haven't.

MissAdventure Fri 11-Oct-19 12:05:15

Why aren't they targeting the managing directors of burger king, then?

janipat Fri 11-Oct-19 12:06:33

Get with the insults trisher. I agree with protests. For goodness sake I campaigned to get the exclusion zone around the Marie Stopes Ealing clinic. That was subject to protestors (prolife) who thought it was fine to try and stop people going about their lawful business. They had "right on their side" and thought causing distress was perfectly acceptable. They are now able to continue their protests at a distance that doesn't cause harm to the vulnerable.
Because I don't agree with XR's methods doesn't mean I don't get the message. Our protest worked, we got the exclusion zone. Nobody lost wages, nobody was prevented from going about their lawful business. I wonder if there is anything they could do that would make you disapprove? Scary thought that you seem willing for them to decide for us all without any consultation.

trisher Fri 11-Oct-19 12:10:48

Because they don't eat at BK MissAdventure, possibly quite a few of them are vegetarian or vegan. They also may survive the climate emergency better than your (or my) descendants. (Don't imagine the rich aren't making plans) And informing people is empowering people (you only have to read about the "why" comments on here to realise peole really don't know)

trisher Fri 11-Oct-19 12:13:24

Actually janipat that protest didn't work in the long term-check BPAS for info about the government and write to your MP please. But how else do you get the message about places like BK out?

maddyone Fri 11-Oct-19 12:16:15

XR don’t have the right to stop people eating meat! It is unacceptable to target BK for the reasons others have already mentioned. XR’s descendants will not survive longer than anyone else’s descendants, if the earth is uninhabitable it will be uninhabitable for everyone, not everyone except descendants of XR. What a ridiculous suggestion!

maddyone Fri 11-Oct-19 12:17:43

CND protested for years. We’ve still got a nuclear deterrent.

MissAdventure Fri 11-Oct-19 12:18:57

By eating lunch at McDonald's, perhaps?

Piers Morgan showed a photo of xr protesters getting their lunch from there on breakfast tv a couple of days ago.

I can't find the pic online. Maybe fake news.

janipat Fri 11-Oct-19 12:19:47

I don't actually think closing one branch and losing those workers pay gets the message out. By all means have placards, leaflets, chant, I don't care, but don't stop people who want to pursue a lawful activity from doing so. Take full page adverts in papers, or on the side of buses seems to convince a lot of people!

gillybob Fri 11-Oct-19 12:22:08

metro.co.uk/2019/10/08/mchypocrites-order-mcdonalds-mission-save-planet-10881519/amp/

trisher Fri 11-Oct-19 12:23:07

maddyone we may still have a nuclear deterrent but the proliferation of nuclear weapons was restricted, but it is a spurious argument anyway as you have no idea what would have happened without them. As for people eating meat well that's fine. As long as you have no care or compassion for the people aready affected by deforestation and the long term effects on the planet.

gillybob Fri 11-Oct-19 12:23:20

Not fake news at all MissA grin

Gonegirl Fri 11-Oct-19 12:23:34

I am so gald to hear they managed to close down a Burger King.

Burger King must make huge profits. They afford to pay their workers whilst they cannot work.

Gonegirl Fri 11-Oct-19 12:24:01

Actually, how do we know they won't be? (paying them)

gillybob Fri 11-Oct-19 12:25:01

So we stop building cars, machines, using electricity, gas, coal, wood, eating meat, flying, driving..... anything else ?

Gonegirl Fri 11-Oct-19 12:27:02

No. Not that at all. We set up Citizens Assemblies to look at how to avoid, holistically, further destruction of the planet.

trisher Fri 11-Oct-19 12:29:36

Actually (and strangely, I agree) McDonalds are actually more environmentally conscious than BK. What would you rather they did? Starved or succumbed to dehydration. No one is perfect. Everyone has and is abusing the planet. But the biggest abusers like BK and the government need to act. We can all do a little but real action is needed. And don't tell me no one has learned anything or decided to change something because of this protest.

janipat Fri 11-Oct-19 12:30:24

Gonegirl I don't think there is anyone thinking BK will pay their workers for not working. But it's OK, while some were shutting down BK other XR contingent were giving McDonald's their custom. That bastion of good practice, not!

gillybob Fri 11-Oct-19 12:31:34

I have changed nothing at all because of these protests .

gillybob Fri 11-Oct-19 12:32:48

Hypocrisy in action janipat but let’s not forget they don’t necessarily have to practise what they preach .

trisher Fri 11-Oct-19 12:33:32

Read the link janipat BK is worse than McDonalds. I know it's strange but it is true. Anyway no one is saying you can't have a vegiburger just that the beef used by BK is causing more damage.

janipat Fri 11-Oct-19 12:34:19

What would you rather they did? Starved or succumbed to dehydration. trisher this is ridiculous and not worthy of you! I've managed not to starve or dehydrate without supporting either BK or McDonalds. There are other food and drink outlets in central London, including some very nice ones that cater for vegetarians and vegans. No they were too lazy to go the distance or too mean to pay more.

trisher Fri 11-Oct-19 12:34:51

And you haven't learned anything either gillybob?

MissAdventure Fri 11-Oct-19 12:35:27

It seems a lot of them have changed nothing at all.

Gonegirl Fri 11-Oct-19 12:35:40

I thought MacDonalds were quite good environmentally speaking. (Not bad foodwise actually)

If Burger are not paying the workers, blame Burger King.