Morals and standards of public behaviour

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Newnanny
:-) I agree with both posts regardless of which politics you approve.

One of the worst abuses of pubic office must be Bercow.

Why do you think that, newnanny?

Which do you think is the primary 'power' in Parliament? The Executive (the government) or the Legislature (the MPs in parliament who scrutinise, amend and vote Bills into law)?

What one believes/understands about the reality of parliamentary powers, very much colours one's view of the Speaker. So I'd be interested in your answers.

Actually DUP were paid to support the last session of parliament. That ceased last week. Not sure if Boris will pay them again if a GE is on horizon.

One of the worst abuses of pubic office must be Bercow. He is totally biased and makes no attempt to hide it. He interferes in matters that do not concern him. I can't wait for him to go.

I agree that Boris is doing his best to honour result of referendum whilst avoiding no deal. His job is made far more difficult by Parliamentary Remainers' who appear radicalised by EU and want to stop allowing Boris in his negotiations.

But we are confronting Boris by the court case, demos etc. It as you post Sir Chenjin, not only must we demonstrate and put pressure on our MP we must also change our voting habits. We have done that locally with our Council and after years of a Tory Council now have an Independent one and it is proving to be far more transparent and open. We need now to do this at a national level.

quizqueen
With you on that.
Those of us on the other side of the ocean unless entitled can do nothing concerning who will be U.S president. We can protest as much as we like over climate change which we will never stop but for me and like minded we see the greatest threat to mankind, which would and could happen overnight not over years, being nuclear.

If you call these people out your classed as a trouble maker . Then is no freedom of speech anymore . If you dare have your own view and speak up about it , your classed as a bully . Tell me where's the fairness in that .

Nanniejc1 your comment Well I think Boris will be a good PM,If he gets us out of the EU is exactly what I am concerned about, the fact that decent lawabiding (I assume!) people are prepared to put up with dreadful behaviour in politicians, behaviour that would be considered unacceptable within their own family, just as long as the liar/cheat/adulterer/racist gets the job done. grannygranby I was not criticising anyone on here, I for one constantly email my MP, share on FB anything I think relevant, and am quite involved locally in politics. What i meant was when someone like Andrew Marr gets fed a load of lies, obfuscation and old flannel, and maybe there will be a few attempts to get the truth, but in general, nobody, on tv, in HoC, tackles this head on. So, on the basis that we get the leadership we deserve, what the hell have we done so wrong to end up with the current state of affairs?

The problem with the USA is that they genuinely believe the their type of democracy is the model for all countries, it isn’t any more than the Chinese form of communism is right. They obviously want to look after trade links, oil and mineral resources but they are going the wrong way, China does it more effectively. China “harvests” resources world wide, and does not interfere with local politics, its trade deals increase its commercial influence in the host country, very often at the expense local businesses it avoids politics.

DUP say they'll vote against Boris too ...and they were bribed to support the tories!!

It is all very well criticising Trump for sending home the USA troops and allowing Turkey to deal with he matter but USA is the one having to pay USA troops and keep them from their families for months on end keeping peace in Syria. European countries refuse to contribute the 2% they are supposed to pay to NATO and leave USA to pick up tab for far more than their fair share. If Europe not happy about it then let them send their own troops to keep peace in Syria. I don't see how so many countries criticise him when they do nothing themselves and leave it all to USA.

As for UK politicians I believe Corbyn and Swinson are worst to blame as they refuse to accept and acknowledge the referendum result despite Labour campaigning in 2017 saying they would respect vote and allow UK to leave EU. Now they vote against us coming out. Corbyn has already said he will vote against any deal Boris tries to do because it does not suit him to let Boris get a deal.

The US shouldn’t police the world but it should be very mindful of the effect its foreign policies have on other regions - as should all Western countries

I suppose the one thing that both sides of the Brexit debate agree on is that Trump is an appalling President and it's astounding that he's been elected at all.

It’s nothing new, the invasion of Iraq was based on a lie by the then Prime Minister.
America have already stated that they are not going to police the world, because they’ve often been criticised for ‘interfering’ in the past.

Why is America supposed to police the world?

It's about power. Trump is constantly called out by both the media and the Democrats, but as long as the Republicans support him (which keeps him/them in power) he's fairly unassailable. for example - why did the Republicans not demand a transcript of his secret meetings with Putin (when only translaters were allowed to be present?) Why do they support his "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat" slogans - clearly seen at all his rallies? What happened to all that anti-Communism? (Could this have anything to do with the millions of $$ Trump owes Russian banks?) As for Johnson - he is very clearly showing the need for a written constitution (which we have resisted for so long). Plus, rich owners of our right wing media are, no doubt, rubbing their hands at the thought of escaping the EU's new anti corporation tax avoidance laws (not to mention people like Rees-Mogg who has an investment company registered in the Cayman Islands!) When someone basically tears up how things have always been done, it shows the gaps in our laws and protections. To have someone like Cummings basically running the country (and btw he spent 3 years working in Russia and is a great supporter of the country) should have us all taking to the streets.

I wonder if these top politicians are on medications that make them less in touch with being a "normal" person. I have experienced personality changes with a certain painkillers and have seen friends change when they are on some medications.

I do think these politicians are behaving as if they have no longer any moral fibre, human decency etc.
I imagine them as drunk on their power status and unconcerned with ordinary people.

They are truly hideous.

SirChenjin we can only vote for who is available or not vote.....I try hard to find a decent candidate and often there is no real choice an

Op - genuine question - what do expect/think we should do?
Look at the 3 leaders of the 3 main UK parties - all a frightening prospect.

GillT57 Fri 11-Oct-19 16:50:27 excellent post

pinkquartz Fri 11-Oct-19 17:31:06 yes, sadly

Having just caught up on this thread it seems to have attracted a certain type of Gner. Everyone has been polite, no one has attacked and no one has deliberately misinterpreted anyone else' posts. There are other threads which are very different.

‘Why is no-one able or prepared to call these people out, confront them with their lies or the effects of their appalling acts?’ Who are you talking about? I have been protesting loudly on FB and Twitter so have thousands of others. Who is it you mean? They are both at the top of their trees no one above them to call them out ( yes wouldn’t it be great if the queen did) so what do you mean?

Well I think Boris will be a good PM,If he gets us out of the EU he will go down in history as a great man.May was absolutely useless,had no intention of leaving the EU,think she was more than likely colluding with the EU to keep us tied to them.All politicians on both sides have lied to us so people who voted to leave will think Boris a good PM when he gets us out & likewise people who want to remain will have the opposite opinion.Dont think you can compare Boris with Trump but you have to remember that there are still lots of Americans who support President Trump.There are always going to be two sides with different opinions.I like Boris but if he doesn’t get us out the Brexit Party will gain loads more supporters.

Two things have given rise to the problems of politicians:
social media and the much faster pace of life. Everything is now more instant and politicians fear of being behind the curve where their ratings stand. There appears to be nothing that can change that unless both twitter and facebook were closed.

We don’t hear too much about “morals” these days it seems to be anything goes. For politicians, royals and aristocrats morality has always been a very flexible term, pious in public, very loose in private.

The current crisis in the Middle East is directly attributable to the West interfering in Arab politics, WMD and all that. Sadam Hussein was a despot, remove him and the Sunni establishment created the Islamic State, an even greater despotic regime.
Now we have Turkey that has been hosting 3 million or so refugees wants to return them, heaven knows what that will end up with. Trouble in Libya and Yemen we are a long way from resolving politics in the area, with hindsight we should not have got involved.

Yes, can you imagine if either Theresa May or Angela Merkel had behaved as Johnson has, in their private lives. I suspect there would have been outrage of a kind that Johnson seems to avoid
I wonder how many conservatives are now wishing they'd given Theresa May a better time as PM.

That Boris is PM is as odd as Trump being POTUS. However, he's not as just plain crazy as Trump somehow. Trump's incredibly grandiose tweets about himself are quite stunning.
Gosh they make poor old Theresa and Angela look so good.