Morals and standards of public behaviour

The US shouldn’t police the world but it should be very mindful of the effect its foreign policies have on other regions - as should all Western countries

It is all very well criticising Trump for sending home the USA troops and allowing Turkey to deal with he matter but USA is the one having to pay USA troops and keep them from their families for months on end keeping peace in Syria. European countries refuse to contribute the 2% they are supposed to pay to NATO and leave USA to pick up tab for far more than their fair share. If Europe not happy about it then let them send their own troops to keep peace in Syria. I don't see how so many countries criticise him when they do nothing themselves and leave it all to USA.

As for UK politicians I believe Corbyn and Swinson are worst to blame as they refuse to accept and acknowledge the referendum result despite Labour campaigning in 2017 saying they would respect vote and allow UK to leave EU. Now they vote against us coming out. Corbyn has already said he will vote against any deal Boris tries to do because it does not suit him to let Boris get a deal.

DUP say they'll vote against Boris too ...and they were bribed to support the tories!!

The problem with the USA is that they genuinely believe the their type of democracy is the model for all countries, it isn’t any more than the Chinese form of communism is right. They obviously want to look after trade links, oil and mineral resources but they are going the wrong way, China does it more effectively. China “harvests” resources world wide, and does not interfere with local politics, its trade deals increase its commercial influence in the host country, very often at the expense local businesses it avoids politics.

Nanniejc1 your comment Well I think Boris will be a good PM,If he gets us out of the EU is exactly what I am concerned about, the fact that decent lawabiding (I assume!) people are prepared to put up with dreadful behaviour in politicians, behaviour that would be considered unacceptable within their own family, just as long as the liar/cheat/adulterer/racist gets the job done. grannygranby I was not criticising anyone on here, I for one constantly email my MP, share on FB anything I think relevant, and am quite involved locally in politics. What i meant was when someone like Andrew Marr gets fed a load of lies, obfuscation and old flannel, and maybe there will be a few attempts to get the truth, but in general, nobody, on tv, in HoC, tackles this head on. So, on the basis that we get the leadership we deserve, what the hell have we done so wrong to end up with the current state of affairs?

If you call these people out your classed as a trouble maker . Then is no freedom of speech anymore . If you dare have your own view and speak up about it , your classed as a bully . Tell me where's the fairness in that .

quizqueen
With you on that.
Those of us on the other side of the ocean unless entitled can do nothing concerning who will be U.S president. We can protest as much as we like over climate change which we will never stop but for me and like minded we see the greatest threat to mankind, which would and could happen overnight not over years, being nuclear.

But we are confronting Boris by the court case, demos etc. It as you post Sir Chenjin, not only must we demonstrate and put pressure on our MP we must also change our voting habits. We have done that locally with our Council and after years of a Tory Council now have an Independent one and it is proving to be far more transparent and open. We need now to do this at a national level.

Actually DUP were paid to support the last session of parliament. That ceased last week. Not sure if Boris will pay them again if a GE is on horizon.

One of the worst abuses of pubic office must be Bercow. He is totally biased and makes no attempt to hide it. He interferes in matters that do not concern him. I can't wait for him to go.

I agree that Boris is doing his best to honour result of referendum whilst avoiding no deal. His job is made far more difficult by Parliamentary Remainers' who appear radicalised by EU and want to stop allowing Boris in his negotiations.

One of the worst abuses of pubic office must be Bercow.

Why do you think that, newnanny?

Which do you think is the primary 'power' in Parliament? The Executive (the government) or the Legislature (the MPs in parliament who scrutinise, amend and vote Bills into law)?

What one believes/understands about the reality of parliamentary powers, very much colours one's view of the Speaker. So I'd be interested in your answers.

Newnanny
:-) I agree with both posts regardless of which politics you approve.

Oops! Newnanny newnanny

By your post new nanny you are showing the same traits as Bercow.

I agree with you too newnanny
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And I know what you’re getting at here MaizieD - it being that the government has to answer to Parliament.

But (via a GE if nothing else) Parliament has to answer to the PEOPLE it represents.

Bercow whilst enabling backbenchers to table obscure motions and amendments (quoting arcane laws and trolling through legalese to back up his position) has revealed that he is NOT impartial regarding Brexit.

He nailed his colours to the mast a long time ago!

Ah well, joy of joys - if Boris pulls a deal out of the hat and MP’s vote for it we LEAVE soon and it’s ‘bye bye’ Bercow.

A Parliamentary democracy is where the democratic governance of a state features an executive branch (the part of government with the authority and responsibility for the daily administration of the state) derives legitimacy from, and is held accountable to, the legislature (Parliament, with the power to enact, amend and repeal laws).

In this system of government, the Head of state is normally a different person from the head of government. In the UK, which is a constitutional monarchy, the Queen is the ceremonial head of state whilst the Prime Minister is the head of Government. In some other countries, such as Israel, the Head of State is the (mostly ceremonial) President, but the Head of Government is the Prime Minister.

Britain’s system of Parliamentary democracy, along with most other Western Governments,is also commonly called a ‘Liberal Democracy’, in which Government gets its legitimacy from the people through regular elections, in which most adults can vote, with good choice of candidates and a secret ballot. That government should be accountable to the people for what it does, with Parliament holding it accountable.There should be a free press, free speech and in most countries a written Bill of rights that prioritises the rights of the individual. A central aim of liberal democracy as a system is that it tries to limit the power of the main branches of government over the individual.

The Speaker of the House of Commons has the duty to ensure that Members of Parliament are able to hold the government to account, and John Bercow has done just that.

This is the way of the world now it seems; well known people are convicted of criminal activity and are then in the public eye again without any shame or contrition; corrupt behaviour gets shrugged off, excuses are made when blatant wrongdoing is uncovered.
I find it all really worrying and begin to wonder where decency and a moral compass have gone. John Bercow, incidentally, has displayed such a lack of impartiality that I wonder how he dares to sit in the Speaker's chair every day - and for some considerable time he refused to relinquish his position when he should have done so. Why was he allowed to get away with that? Spineless 'management' I would suggest.

Bercow voted Remain, discussing it candidly with a group of students, but in an interview with Italian newspaper La Repubblica denied this meant he had lost his impartiality.

“If I’m biased, I’m biased in favour of Parliament. Parliament being heard. Parliament having a right to speak. Parliament having time. Parliament being respected by the government of the day and indeed by the opposition,” he said.

www.hexham-courant.co.uk/news/national/17891318.john-bercow-10-colourful-years-speaker-commons/

I can't detect much change from how things have always been. Perhaps there's less polite veneer and a bit more honesty lately but I've always been very disappointed by US and UK politicians.

Any American companies that I’ve had dealings with have always looked after their staff. British American Tobbacco was a fantastic company to work for.

Good post at 15.21 varian but I think you wasted your time typing it all out. I don't think that Leavers will ever understand how our Parliamentary Democracy works.

What you really need for good governance are people with integrity, common sense, experience and some understanding of world history. A person cannot stand up and say “Vote for me if you want to leave/remain in the EU” or whatever, because until he or she is in the cabinet they are not privy to all the facts, ( and perhaps not then). We do not need parties who support one man who appears to have mass appeal, we should find a person we trust to investigate the facts and do the right thing on any matter that comes up for discussion.

Excellent post Varian. Urmsgran, the deal seems to be no different to TMs so it no no chance of being voted through. So don't think thats it we are leaving, a long to go yet.

A person cannot stand up and say “Vote for me if you want to leave/remain in the EU” or whatever, because until he or she is in the cabinet they are not privy to all the facts,

A bit amazed by this, starbird. It seems to imply that no-one except cabinet members have any idea of the 'facts' so we shouldn't vote for anyone?

Perhaps we shouldn't have been asked to vote on our membership of the EU, either, as it is plain that significant numbers of our PMs and general public weren't 'privy to the facts'...

Can someone tell me what the Brexit party stand for I think they are just splitting the votes I just would not know who to vote for next time I think there is alotof people like me

I think you are right tomtom when you say there are a lot of people who don't know what the so-called brexit party stands for, but sadly that did not prevent them voting for them in the EU elections and they would probably vote for them again if instructed to do so be the Daily Express, The Sun or the Daily Mail.