growstuff thank you for your 12.21 post. Well worth reading.
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Trying to get through prolonged/complicated grief
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The independent think tank UK in a Changing Europe has today found that Johnson's deal would reduce GDP per capita by between 2.3% and 7% over the next decade. This compares with May's deal where the estimate was between 1.9% and 5.5%. They also suggest that a deal would hit public finances by £16bn and £49bn.
Today in parliament Johnson promised that high standards on workers rights an environmental protections will be maintained.
The political declaration can enter UK law but it is only a statement of intent and he can therefore promise the ERG that, if he wins the next election, he will set aside the political declaration and pivot towards deregulation and a sweetheart deal with Trump. The purpose of the ERG is to deregulate at home in order to strike trade deals with the US and emerging markets.
Would someone please explain why he should now be trusted when he has lied throughout the whole of his career. After all, leopards don't change their spots. It would take too long to list all his lies, but here's some, as a reminder:
1. When suspended from the cable car across the Thames, the mechanism apparently failed. Of course, it was deliberately stopped and he claimed it failed for a good photo opportunity.
2. In his manifesto for the London Mayor election he promised that he would ensure that there would be manned ticket offices at every train station. he then agreed to widespread closures in order to fund 24 hour tube trains
3. Also in his manifesto he promised to eradicate rough sleeping - it doubled during his tenure
4. He lied about the reason for proroguing parliament
5. He repeated his lie about the EU regulating the shape of bananas
6. He lied about there being no press when he was at GOS Hospital
Now for the money wasted whilst mayor on vanity projects:
1. Feasibility study into the Garden Bridge - £52 million
2. Cable car £24 million
3. Boris bikes £225 million (original idea Ken Livingstone but BJ implemented it)
4. Water cannon £323,000 - not allowed under UK law, unsold and now scrapped
5. Estuary airport feasibility study £5.2 million
6. Olympic stadium conversion to football pitch for West Ham - £305 million. The club was supposed to contribute £153 million but in the end it only paid £15 million and now pays annual rent of £2.5 million.
7. Routemaster hybrid buses £321.6 million - superseded by the introduction of electric buses. It's USP is now defunct because the doors at the rear "hop on hop off" platforms are closed in moving traffic (and that includes at walking pace)
A few of these projects had small amounts of sponsorship money but most of the costs were funded by the tax payer
growstuff thank you for your 12.21 post. Well worth reading.
Your remarks are designed to get under my skin Growstuff, and you obviously need to get pleasure from that. So enjoy! You are welcome to your point scoring. However, you are demonstrating one of the many ills of social media. That is that you have failed to understand reasoned debate and cannot engage in it without assuming that you can make personal remarks. You don't know me and I don't know you.
I am merely stating a personal opinion in which I sincerely believe. Equally, I would accept a reasoned explanation of someone else's views, however diverse, if it was not just an endless circle of the same brainwashing gems trotted out by the same people and reflecting all the media tripe that abounds at the moment. Gransnet needs an input of more original thinkers. You only have to look at the user names on here to spot the pattern. Someone else mentioned my 'link' to Prince Andrew. I was not linking him to Boris Johnston in any way except that I was using him to illustrate how the vituperative masses on social media don't think of their own shortcomings when they attack any public figures. Hence my Dickens reference. Nor do they wait until there is absolute proof. They just go for the jugular. They are the venting, ranting ones. And in a way I pity them. Perhaps they have nothing else to do. They should make themselves a cup of tea...........
People who “Truly believe” In Brexit must realise this is a belief with no evidence to support that belief. It’s become a quasi religious cult. Evidence and truth matter for nothing.
You're welcome Gracesgran.
Grankind If GN isn't to your liking, you might find some like-minded souls here:
www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
Meanwhile, back to Johnson and his lies ...
The country hasn't been a 'success' under the tories for the last decade. Why should it change now?
I think because austerity is officially over? More money sloshing about? Brexit too (sorry).
You know who you are.
I've a feeling I know who you are too.
I feel as if I’m at a tennis match.
I’m fascinated by the builder and Dickens allegories.
Or are they metaphors? 
his WORK is rubbish, dishonest, fraudulent, CA - a bit like Monty Python's dead parrot here.
Ah well, you've got to laugh. And at this stage, I don't mind about the expletives either. Sometimes expletives are just what you need, so there
www.facebook.com/CornwallForEurope/videos/432413264136424/
@D4AldBrownhills
Boris Johnson pulls out of Channel 4 debate against
@jeremycorbyn
, Sajid Javid refuses to debate
@johnmcdonnellMP
and the Conservatives pull out of BBC Newsnight to avoid scrutiny and accountability.
Plus we still have no manifesto or costings from Mr Johnson?
Whatever next?
@MikeDaviesLab
“We need to have a fair taxation system now.” -
@johnmcdonnellMP
▪️No increase in Income Tax, NI for 95%
▪️Reverse some of £100bn Tory tax cuts to corporations, wealthiest
▪️Financial Transaction Tax on City of London
▪️Tackle Tax Evasion & Avoidance.
joe
@cillanoir
salary £81,000
broadband £0
doctor £0
dentist £0
lifelong education £0
extra tax: £4.17 a month
Johnson don't give a stuff about ordinary people just the richest 1% Our NHS will be sold off to Trump
Love actually
twitter.com/DrRosena/status/1197884965444366337?s=20
I think because austerity is officially over? More money sloshing about?
Do I have to post all the charts here as well, Ug. I did put them on another thread this morning, in response to one of your posts.
GDP down
Investment in business down
Personal debt at record levels (that, and the government spending on wasteful Brexit preparations, is what is keeping the economy barely afloat)
The builder was an allegory, SirChenjin 
All the best,
Madame Defarge x
( or 'analogy')
Thanks Maizie 
A new poster talks about Boris Johnson and Prince Andrew and, yes they do have a certain amount in common. These men were born to rule, and too many people seem to think that's OK.
www.pressreader.com/uk/i-newspaper/20191120/281977494459398
Grankind I don't think the facts given in my OP were media
tripe. Most of the Remainers on here have posted actual facts repeatedly on the Brexit/Johnson related threads because there are still some people who persist in spouting the same old lies.
Grankind
RE Prince Andrew - I didn't see Question Time so can't comment on that but one irrefutable fact is that he did stay with Epstein after he came out of prison following his conviction for child abuse/paedophilia. He obviously thought that he was doing the honorable thing by his friend but that doesn't say much about his intelligence.
On the Russian report
Boris Johnson has just repeated the claim that he’s seen no evidence of Russian interference in UK elections. That contradicts what he told the Russian Foreign Minister in 2017
Full Fact
@FullFact
· 20h
On #bbcqt, Fiona Bruce said of Conservative funding plans for the NHS: “At the moment, it’s upgrading six existing hospitals.”
Boris Johnson disputed this saying “No, it’s building six new ones immediately.”
Fiona Bruce was right. Mr. Johnson was wrong: https://
He lies
He lies
He lies
It's what he does and has always done.
How can anyone possibly believe a word he says?
Because Brexit varian. It’s like a religion - and blind faith is very difficult to change.
"Repeating the same arguments and quoting the same old statistics"?
A bit like "Get Brexit done" and "40 new hospitals"?
It's been proved conclusively that the latter statement is untrue while it's accepted by anyone of any intelligence that repeating the same old mantra (à la Boris) is effective in convincing the gullible. If he says it often enough it must be true!
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