For brexiters only please.

Dinahmo you mean like the remainer thread, which devoted a page to bread and butter pudding and aberrant apostrophes? ?

Lemongrove My original comment was made when responding to GGMK3 about why certain groups of people vote Tory and as an example of someone who didn't eat leftovers because he could afford not to.

At any rate you have read the Remainers thread so thank you. It shows that we have other things to think about, such as good food.

Dinahmo
You will find fewer ‘leave’ posts on this thread because we are less stressed and more confident in our decision and therefore do not have to repeating ourselves to get reaffirmation from like minded people as happens on the other thread.
If you look back, most of the time a leaver has responded on this thread is in response to a remain post.

I’ve noticed that brexiters don’t seem to feel the need to ‘convert’ people in the same way that remainers appear to, going on all threads trying to gather us all in to the EU fold!

That’s so true Pantglas2

Soon be the 31st October
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Pantglas2 Perhaps we feel sorry for you and that you need converting - just like Saul on the road to Damascus.

Despite the regular pleas on various of the threads for reasons why you all want to Leave we still don't know. please don't tell me that some of you told us three years ago. A lot of us weren't on Gransnet then and there have been many changes, lies and misinformation since then.

Maybe Dinahmo, but only a zealot thinks like that to my mind!

Looking for a job?

wwmk2

Remainers need to keep trying to convert others because they don’t understand that anyone can have different thoughts on leaving the EU than they do themselves.I also believe they are genuinely frightened of life outside the EU bloc, and of doing anything differently.
If we are ever allowed to leave (!) then perhaps in a few years they will see that the sky hasn’t fallen in, and in fact the UK is doing very well.

Dinahmo

Despite asking for specific reasons for remaining on the other thread, all I have got has been generalisations and news speak, such as wanting to still travel in Europe.
Would you care to give some concise reasons for remaining?

I agree there have been many changes lies and misinformation since then.

Dinahmo Maybe if you had done some basic research, you wouldn't need to keep asking.
There are plenty of publications which filled in the gaps of the daily papers like Prospect, This Week and online sites like OffGuardian that regularly had articles from both sides of the issue setting out factually the pros and cons of staying or leaving. I have put up links in the past but no one bothered to discuss them intelligently or without abuse so, like most Leavers here, I gave up.
No one owes you an explanation and I am confused as to why you believe that you have the right to demand it from strangers. Being rude and patronising is hardly going to make people feel keen to discuss it. That was rather the point of the OP in the first place.
Like Joelsnan I have come across people who think that they won't be able to travel to Europe again.
Talking about converting people is more likely to have the opposite effect.

Just have a look at the reasons ex-leavers have changed their minds.

twitter.com/RemainerNow

varian
I am sure if I could be bothered (which I can’t), I could find a ‘Leaver Now’ tweet.

*Despite asking for specific reasons for remaining on the other thread, all I have got has been generalisations and news speak, such as wanting to still travel in Europe.
Would you care to give some concise reasons for remaining?*

I gave mine, not the most politically astute or intelligent but I tried. One poster, Opal has given her reasons for supporting leave.

How much could Brexit cost the economy in the future?

The Government’s own analysis of the impact of Brexit found that the UK would be worse off outside the European Union under every scenario.

The report, made available to MPs last year, assessed the regional impact of staying in the single market, leaving with a free-trade deal, and a no-deal Brexit.

The worst-affected region of the UK was expected to be the Northeast, which voted heavily in favour of Brexit. A 3% fall in the area’s GDP growth was forecast if the UK stayed in the single market, with an 11% drop under the trade-deal model, and a 16% fall if there was no Brexit deal.

“The losses are predicted to come over 15 years and are relative to projected growth if the UK had remained within the EU,” Politico reports.

www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk

Every financial projection shows that any kind of brexit is worse than the deal we already have as EU members.

Theresa May's deal was bad, Boris Johnson's deal is worse and a crash out no deal brexit is utterly disastrous.

How irresponsible would you have to be to ignore these facts?

That’s the thing joelsnan, most brexiters made their decision and haven’t felt the need to justify it to all and sundry whereas the remainers seem to be re-running the referendum on a daily basis on this site.

I’m interested in the to and fro as I didn’t vote but feel they won’t be happy until they’ve dragooned every last man standing into the EU boat and sailed merrily off into the sunset.

varian
In the three and more years before and since the referendum just about every economic projection and BOE projection of doom and collapse has been wrong. The economy has continued to grow, unemployment continues to fall and the only thing that has noticed any downward impact has been on the value of the £, caused mainly through the indecision.
Now, you can continue to read the propaganda pumped out by those who want to keep the status quo (because it is most profitable for them to remain) and be in a constant state of stress, or like others, don't take the bait.

I love the statement that Opal (well done you lady) has satisfied gfp’s repeated requests for clarifications regards Leaving.

I truly gave mine months ago! Then after Nonnie asked (repeatedly) for reasons to change her mind (god love her she is totally disingenuous - as if THAT would ever happen haha!) - wonder if she’s heard of ‘Google - reasons for’?) ) I reiterated them (please check the archives if you don’t believe me!)

Anyway the freedom OUR little thread has given us (thank you aprilrose) is that here, WE are in the driving seat! No links necessary! No ‘please explain, I have asked several times for 3 examples’ etc.!

Here we all are. A happy band of Brexiters. If Remainers (who can’t help themselves from straying on here - they just can’t resist!) pop up we don’t have to engage if we don’t choose to.

The ones who will profit most are the high-profile advocates of brexit.
They'd avoid eu tightening of tax havens, go for shorting currency, gain opportunities to buy up chunks of nhs.
Jacob R-M is just one of them but plenty more would like to jump on the bandwagon.

Ha ha, not joining in the discussion this time, but LOVE the cartoon posted by Whitewave.

The leave voters in the fraudulent referendum bave already cost us £69 billion . That equals about £4000 for every leave voter.

If I had been foolish enough to have believed the leave liars I would be thoroughly ashamed.

Wake up. We have lost enough because of this brexit nonsense. Enough is enough. Stop Brexit before it is too late.

I hope it will go through Varian, but who knows now! We’ll have to wait and see.

Joelsnan et al

My reasons for staying in the EU

1. Before joining the EEC we were known as the poor man of Europe

2. Before the referendum in 2016 we were one of the wealthiest nations in the EU

3. Peace within the E~U for 75 years - longest period of peace in 2000 years

4. Non tariff trade barriers

5. Free movement of labour - plugs skills gaps - doctors, vets, plumbers

6. Free movement of labour provides unskilled workers to fill the jobs that Britons don't want - seasonal agricultural work for example

7. Access to the single market has helped investment into the UK from outside the EU

8. The UK's net contribution to the EU budget is £7.3bn (0.4% of GDP). It's also less than 1/8 of our defence spending

9. Common Arrest Warrant

10. Minimum guaranteed maternity leave of 14 weeks for pregnant women and 18 weeks of parental leave after the baby is born

11. Introduction of pet passports

12. Cheaper air travel due to EU competition laws

13. Over 45 million people travelled to Europe on holiday in 2018

14. Funding for the British film industry, theatre, music, dance and sports. Grants for these, with the possible exception of sport as the govt sees that as a way to keep the population healthy, has been drastically cut over the last 10 years.

15. Pooling of resources and intelligence.

Will that do? Or do you want more?