For brexiters only please.

Oh good point sw in which case it’s bitten them on the bum. I bet it gets revoked further down the line!

Urmstongran, in regard to your post @12:22 today, there would seem to be a growing number in the Labour party and wider Labour movement that feel the Tory party should be made to feel the anger that many will demonstrate when the utopia that was supposed to be forthcoming with Brexit is finally exposed as a lie.

Johnson is perpetuating the view that "getting Brexit done" by 31st of October will be the end all this division and nightmare for our nation. However, it will not.

The whole trade agreement then has to be negotiated and in that Johnson and his ERG group cronies may well still ensure that Britain finishes up with no deal.

So, why not force Johnson to secure a good trade agreement for the United Kingdom while he is in the position of leading a minority government, and in that, all in Parliament can then have an equal voice in that outcome.

The above sounds great to me.

As so often has been stated, a week is a long time in politics, and being forced to maintain a minority government Johnson would have "the Sword of Damocles hanging over him in the form of a vote of no confidence brought at any time of the oppositions choosing.

I get where you are coming from Grandad1943 and why what you post sounds good to you. But to many who voted Leave, that just sounds like Brexit in Name Only.

Honestly I don’t think Boris’ deal is that great. Too many concessions in my opinion, although in some areas it is more Brexity than Theresa May’s deal (which is why the Remainer MP’s don’t like it).

In some ways I’d rather take No Deal.

Or Remain.

Urmstongran I agree either totally out, or remain, it's beginning to feel like the UK is in a never ending performance of the flipping Hokey Cokey!!

There is a train of thought that Boris came up with this deal on the expectation it would fail to get a majority and then he could go for a GE claiming there was no possible way we could leave other than a no deal.

Urmstongran, what you state in your above post could well be true. However, Johnson's deal did get a majority but not the rediculas timetable he proposed to take it through Parliament.

Now he is in the silly position of "pausing in Bill" because he wished to throw his toys out of his pram, while if he had not done that the House of Commons could have been debating that proposed agreement now.

How immature can any person get? ?

Grandad... at PMQ’s the other day, a Labour MP stood up and said the same thing, and was told by Bercow that actually it was protocol to pause it.

lemongrove yes it was protocol to pause the Bill because the executive wished that to be so.

The executive placed the Bill before the House of Commons, therefore as their Bill. They can withdrawal it, pause it or allow it's passage.

It is the same for any backbench members Bill, you see it happening all the time in the parliamentary procedure.

Exactly.....so not ‘throwing toys out of the pram’ is it but part of Parliamentary procedure at times.

I’m not too sure Grandad1943 it could be ‘virtue signalling’ by Remainer-feeling MP’s wanting to be seen to be doing ‘the right thing’ for their mostly ignored Leave voting constituents. It was, as far as they were concerned, a free hit: they could pretend to be pro-Brexit while still doing everything in their power to thwart a meaningful departure later.

Boris, make sure all your candidates for the GE are not Euro-fanatics .. We want MP's whose hearts beat for Britain, not Brussels.

How dare you Urmstongran. I am prepared to believe you are no less patriotic than me, that you are just, by nature and nurture, a little Englander. How dare you suggest that those who believe the ties our parliament and country has made through our membership of the EU, in getting world wide trading deals, the best possible frictionless trading deals with our nearest and largest market, scientific and security agreements, etc., etc., make us any less patriotic.

This comic book idea, that we might expect from children, that this country was some how forced into an agreement we actually chose grows more ridiculous every day. We chose it. We take an equal part in running it and the idea that you are fighting a patriotic fight is simply pathetic. Put down the toy cape and mask for heaven's sake and start using the language of an adult.

GGMK3 I began a response, but you said it so much better and I'm happy to let your words speak for me too.

Well said, GGMK3

Ooh ladies! Have a touched a nerve? This thread is for Brexiters - I thought you had a Remainer one? I’ve not posted on it.

I like this one better.

(Seems so many of you do too - strange that!)
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Urmstongran
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You haven't "touched a nerve" at all Urmstongran. That would imply, not only that those of us who don't want to leave are unpatriotic, but that we agree that is the case.

Just as so often happens, your argument comes down go you just insulting this who don't agree. I was objecting to and disagreeing with your insults although I am aware that is your style of discussion.

Maybe as Remainers are on this Brexiteer threat so frequently they are being persuaded that leaving is the way to go, and that taking taking back charge of our money and doing trade deals around the world will not preclude us from scientific and security arrangements.

I have not been on frequently newnanny and have no wish to be. I am certainly not "persuaded" by the childish arguments and insults. Who would be? Stop that and I for one will not be back.

I have not insulted anyone and I would ask you to point out where you think I have been insulting.

Before the "keyboard warriors" hit post, they should try reading what was actually written. This is pathetic.

Where is the insult?

I would suggest childish arguments more the insult.

Looks like GGM3 has taken umbrage ? ( nothing new there).
Moving on......... wonder what will happen now, will Corbyn and Co agree to the election they claim they want?
We need a GE,it’s the only way now.

Looking back to the original post, there is little to write in response other than "I agree" endless times. I would think that you Brexiteers should be thankful to us Remainers for giving you something to respond. Without us this thread would have been finished a long time ago.

yggdrasil
Disagree as you wish however as an ardent leaver my reason for leaving is to give hardworking people who want to give their children, nothing wrong with that, what I was able to achieve pre EU years.Able to afford our own albeit it small own home both H and self worked although having two small children.Not reliant on food banks were there any ?did we need them?
I welcome comments/opinions from those who are, or know others 21C having to rely on food banks, cannot afford their own home, losing their jobs but what must be the worst, homeless and living on the streets.