For brexiters only please.

MaizieD It is not the electorate that are to blame for what Crystaltips calls "the whole shambles", but the H of Cs who have blocked "honouring" the referendum, David Cameron who said it would be a "once in a lifetime vote" and that the result would be honoured.

They should have had a plan A, B, C and D in hindsight they didn't even have a plan A. Saying that I would not change my vote as my opinion of the EU hierarchy has plummeted in equal measure to the "clowns on all sides" in both houses of Westminster.

But you don't give a toss about how crystal actually feels, do you, GG13 & maddyone?

Just do a little pearl clutching about how dreadfully she phrased it, that'll deflect having to think about what she said.

It was a tad dramatic crystaltipps- I’ve never heard a brexiter use terms like that!

crystaltips "We're are just dirt under your shoe"

What a very low opinion you have of fellow GN's because they had the temerity to vote in a different way to you!!!!! I would never describe another human being or animal as "dirt under my shoe".

That’s a very emotive post crystal, especially the last sentence, but thankfully it’s incorrect. You are a person who holds a view that I disagree with, but I certainly don’t think of you as dirt under my shoe, and I’d be surprised if anyone else does.

This idea that the “whole country” is euphoric about Brexit is just evidence of the sharp division in our broken society, with many people knowing no one who voted leave and vice versa. There are huge swathes of people who will lose jobs and livelihoods or relationships and have no reason to feel anything but depressed over the whole shambles, but they don’t count- as anyone who didn’t vote Brexit ( almost half the voters) are non people and don’t count for anything. We’re are just dirt under your shoe.

Ooh, Urmstongran, have a lovely time in Spain. Enjoy.

Urmstongran please do not take their "bait", some live and breath animosity.

Enjoy your time in Malaga.

Where will you bite then Ug?

Needling leavers again!

And it’s nothing short of damn rude.

You’re not imagining it NanKate.

Why would you crystaltipps? The whole point about the EU is that they are individual countries run by their own governments. They are never going to be "all" anything. Obviously, those who are brainwashed about the EU will still find this hard to accept.

Where will you bite, then, Ug?

You do not imagine it NanKate! I like this thread because it’s more a gentle discussion of what we have read in the news (without the need for links or proof) or how we feel about Brexit in general.

When I’m having a chat in real life about Brexit (although it’s so divisive I’ve noticed that we all seem to swerve it!) if it does happen get mildly talked about, opinions and general chit chat. No-one demands validation!

Am I imagining it but do more Remainers ask us to justify ourselves, than Brexiteers ask Remainers their reasons ?

Nice try GGmk3 but definitely not biting on this thread!

Who claims all EU countries are perfect? I could say leavers believe all EU countries are on the brink of collapse.

So how do you think leaving will help those in your position or worse UG?

leave campaigners only seem to want it to improve for the already very wealthy

I must be your exception to prove the rule GGmk3

If you saw my bank balance you would laugh - yet I voted Leave!

Grandad1943
I've just done a search which took less than a minute and stopped counting at 15 articles on bombings in Sweden 2019.

Nothing in life is perfect. I would worry about anyone who though otherwise. Why should anyone expect government or any part of it to be. The difference is that remainders want it to make life better for as many as possible while leave campaigners only seem to want it to improve for the already very wealthy.

Admit that and I might believe leave voters know what they are talking about.

And if you want to score points over Remainers why put it on the Leavers' thread?

Surely on THIS thread (for Leavers) that’s half the fun?

And you all shouldn’t be peeping!

GG13 I don't think any Remainers ahve said that the other EU countries are perfect. We don't say that the EU is perfect. We do say that to be part of a large group, rather than standing on our own, is better for the UK.

^ Just pointing out that the EU Countries are not all so perfect, as those who voted to remain make out.^

When has anyone said that, GG13? And if you want to score points over Remainers why put it on the Leavers' thread?

I am sure there is discontent from some groups in every country; it would be amazing if there wasn't. In France people tend to have a demonstration. In fact if a group of us are out gossiping in the street in our village, people will join us and say, "c'est une manif?" ?