Will the fat lady sing?

Pantglas2 Quote[ Wow granddad1943 that’s a snobbish comment in your last sentence to me! Are you suggesting that HGV drivers can’t be perceptive and forward thinking?] End Quote.

Pantglas2, when i was an HGV driver I reserved my forward-thinking to the road that was before my thirty two-ton vehicle.

However, i can well imagine how obtaining postal voting rights could well be the prime topic of conversation whenever you meet with your two HGV driver cousins.

First - thanks G'dad for those very relevant and significant examples of real people and their EU involvement.
Second - does anyone understand the posts from peonyrose ? I can't make head nor tail of them. If that's meant to further the brexit cause then someone needs to have a word with her!!

Different Industries have varying months/weeks of high volume of business/work hours. August/September is difficult for traditional arable farmers, March/April problematic for livestock farms, June, July, August difficult for those who work in tourism. Then you have NHS /carers who work long and antisocial hours 12 months a year.

Grandad1943 Your anti December Election rhetoric doesn't add up......... a bit like JCs escuses.

Ha ha granddad1943 - just WhatsApp my cousins group your derogatory comments on your fellow HGV drivers and one has replied with ‘he must be the token wanker - tell him I’ve been doing the postal voting since 2005’.

As the likelihood of a GE on 12 December is just about nil it's really not worth bickering about postal voting lorry drivers or which workers have the most to do at varying times of year.

GrannyGravy13 in regard to your post @22:22 today, I accept that other industries have high volume points at various times of the year.

However, Christmas is the largest spending volume period of the year throughout the United Kingdom with a huge percentage of that volume spent in retail. The Transport industry is at the very heart of the supply chain to that industry. Therefore the pressure of long hours of working and stress is applied to all who work in distribution if we as consumers are to obtain all we require during the Christmas period.

Therefore GrannyGravy13, with such long hours having to be worked by all who are employed in transport/distribution, do you really believe that those workers are going to be interested in polling in any election when all they wish to do in the small amount of time they have off during that Christmas period is "Get Some Rest"

As stated up thread, there is a real world out there.

Pantglas2 in regard to your post @22:36 today,

?... Try mixing more some water with it.

How on earth will a GE solve the Brexit dilemma? Surely there can't be a single soul who believes that Brexit is determined by party lines? There will be Conservative and Labour supporters on both sides of the divide. Brexit is a totally separate entity that has to be dealt with as a single issue. Johnson's attempt to make it a GE issue is manipulation of the worst kind, although totally in keeping with someone of his cynical and moral bankruptcy.

Spot-on, janipat.

Ha ha granddad1943 my Scottish friends tell me never to dilute God’s nectar! We’ll agree to differ and here’s hoping England beat the all blacks

MPs are considering taking over the business of the House and continuing to debate and vote on Brexit legislation and a confirmatory referendum.

Seems a sensible and adult way forward.

The way to treat toddlers who can’t get their own way and refuse to move is to ignore them.

MPs will use a procedure known as standing order 24 to take control of the house, which at the moment is being blocked by Johnson to do any business.
It is then planned to either debate Mays withdrawal agreement or the more unpopular Johnson’s agreement, with possible votes to attach a CU, a confirmatory referendum and a longer extension, to prevent a crash out.

The plans to take over parliamentary business is being discussed with EU officials to see if they will be determined sufficiently serious enough for Brussels to consider an extension is necessary to break the Brexit deadlock.

Johnson is still refusing to bring back the Brexit legislation unless MPs agree to a GE.

He is using puerile language to describe the oppositions refusal to agree to a GE, trying to place himself on the side of “the people” v. Parliament.

Well he isn’t on my side, even if I agreed his Brexit stance and put that to one side, his politics alarm me, and his vision of a low tax, low regulatory economy is not what I want under any circumstances.

If we have a GE it won’t be about just brexit but about our future welfare and economy and nothing he offers can either be believed or trusted.

The view amongst many in Parliament is that No 10 is confused, floundering and totally out of control.

From my MP

Peter Kyle MP
@peterkyle

First they shut down parliament for five weeks and summoned the queen to parliament because they had a programme for Britain that couldn’t wait. Then called an election 30 seconds after the vote was won.

Then they announce a budget and cancel it a week later.

What a shower

Grandad43.....thanks for all the mansplaining, I would never have guessed that ‘there is a real world out there’ having lived in my mansion with Lord Lemongrove for fifty years.?

We now have postal votes and many busy people make use of it.I expect those who work in the transport industry won’t have time to pop out for a pint in the evenings either.

I await another lecture on the trials and tribulations of those in the haulage business.

WWM2... you simply cannot say ( in your post about MP’s taking over business in Parliament) that the May deal is more popular than the Johnson deal.It isn’t true.
The May deal was roundly rejected three times, and the Johnson deal was voted for this week in principle with MP’s feeling they needed more time to look at it before a final vote.
Of course, many of them are trying even now to block Brexit but some will genuinely want more time to look at it.
Either way, the Johnson deal is more popular than the May deal.

Cancelling the budget of course means that Javid economic forecast which would include Brexit assessment plan by the OBR won’t be published.

Cummings forced Javid to pull the budget after reading the perilous economic position we will be in after Johnson’s Brexit plan.

We need a GE asap!

lemons

If put to a vote in Parliament either May or Johnson.

May would win hands down.

Johnson’s is much more damaging to the economy long term.

lemons

I entirely disagree with your agreement with both Johnson and Corbyn over needing a GE..

For me the most democratic way forward is to get a Brexit deal in place, debate it, amend it as necessary then ask the voter if that is what they wanted when they voted.

Get that out of the way then we know for sure that a GE would genuinely reflect the voters political preferences.

An initial critique of the WAB

ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/10/24/adam-tucker-a-first-critical-look-at-the-scrutiny-of-delegated-legislation-in-the-withdrawal-agreement-bill/

How on earth will a GE solve the Brexit dilemma? Surely there can't be a single soul who believes that Brexit is determined by party lines? There will be Conservative and Labour supporters on both sides of the divide. Brexit is a totally separate entity that has to be dealt with as a single issue. Johnson's attempt to make it a GE issue is manipulation of the worst kind, although totally in keeping with someone of his cynical and moral bankruptcy.

THIS! well said Janipat! This is it exactly - manipulation of the worst kind, and I hope the opposition keep strong not to fall for it.

Well I’m one of “the people” - Johnson doesn’t speak for me or millions of others.

It’s not what you say Grandad, it’s what you choose to do, on GRANSnet. A site aimed at women, older women in fact (whilst obviously open to others) and whose members are regularly treated to lectures (word quote from another poster) because they are so unable to form their own opinions and need to be patronisingly ‘corrected.’ I’m calling you out on this behaviour!