For Remainers Only

Another thing does anyone else thing the Red Mogg should be reported to Social Services for dragging his son into Parliament dressed in a min me when he should be outside in jeans skate boarding.

It's been suggested. Interesting how he joked about it although, apparently, he and the Loathsome woman asked for the police escort.

Good morning lemon and welcome to the 'other side' where you can be assured of a polite discussion. Can I just remind you that not all remain voters are Labour supporters? As I said on a previous post, there were very many obvious Tories at the march on Saturday, people who are angry at the way they are being ignored. Voting patterns are not binary; just because I loathe the current right wing administration this does not make me a 'leftie' or a 'Corbynista', far from it. Having established that, even Tory party members do not trust Johnson, let alone opposition, and this is a very sad state to be in, irrespective of one's political views. I truly believe that Brexit will be a complete and utter disaster for the UK for reasons which we have gone over and over on here. Economically, politically, socially, there is much to lose and very little to gain. I alternate between fear, anger and sadness.

You are very generous GillT. I shall continue to ignore leave voters. It appears to be what they want.

Just reading this

Apparently - and something I had completely forgotten - the UK signed up to pay the EU Brexit costs!

God almighty how many hospitals, new schools, infrastructure projects etc have we thrown away?

Also just reading that we will still be subject to ECJ and EU rules throughout the transition, which on past experience will go on for ever. This means that we will still be subject to payment. The new EU budget is due to be drawn up in 2020. We of course won’t be included in it. So the money we must pay will be more or less what the EU can get out of us, and looking at the past 3 years they will run circles around us.

They can because they are such a big economic block, they have much more clout than us.

I see nothing wrong with Rees Mogg taking his son to Parliament Square. These are very interesting times and educational for our youngsters. How he dresses his son is Rees Mogg concern not anybody elses.

It's certainly true that the old left/right split seems to have been overcome by Brexit but I wonder if it will last if, eventually, things settle down?

One thing about the WAB - well more than one.

Workers rights have been removed from law and put into the PD. Which of course means that workers have nothing written in law to protect them

So under threat

Paid holidays
Parental leave
Working hours limitation
I’m sure grandad can fill in the rest.

Environment?

Been left out of everything entirely.

Thank you GGMk3, trying hard to be polite.

Apparently - and something I had completely forgotten - the UK signed up to pay the EU Brexit costs!

I hadn't actually heard that. I would love to see all the costs so far and the anticipated ones.

gg3 I doubt that they will want it mentioned. It is thought that it is extremely sizeable already.

I asked on the Brexiter thread for someone to tell me their reasons for voting Leave. I didn't get an answer (again). So to any Brexiter deciding to post here, WHY

All Remainers ( of any political stripe) should take a minute or two to think of the glorious irony ( oblivious to some) about their comments on the Leavers thread.They had a fair point about inclusivity, but have then gone on to do the same here, with GGM2 ( no surprises there) trying to get a consensus for any Leavers and their comments to be ignored.
Thank you Gill I shall continue to post on both threads and hope others do too.
A GE would be better than another referendum, because the first referendum hasn’t been acted on as yet and it would be extremely anti-democratic to hold another one ( even MP’s, most of them, can see that.)A GE would show the strength of feeling ( either way) and we could then break the deadlock in Parliament.The LP is afraid they would lose ( they surely will!)
I didn’t agree with those who said last year that the HOC was a laughing stock, but I certainly do now, and the EU must have their heads in their hands.Two reasonable deals offered and the dummies who call themselves MPs won’t accept either of them.Or anything else!

Good for you, lemongrove. I have nothing to add, except that (I hope) that Leavers weighed up the pros and cons before voting in the referendum and decided that we would be better off out. I can certainly see the benefits of being part of the EU, but I now realise just how deeply entrenched we are. This is why it's proving to be so difficult to extricate ourselves.

Does anyone know if there is a time limit to the QS debate?

I assume if Johnson gets defeated, he can’t govern as he has no mandate .

Time table likely to be defeated?

It seems to be of little importance to the government at the moment Whitewave but I can find anything they have put forward about it.

I don't think the HOC is a laughing stock either. I'm proud that there are MP's from all parties that are still putting country before Party/career to do what's best for this country. Unfortunately the PM isn't one of them. How some of them have the energy to carry on is beyond me, but they have my utmost respect.

Did anyone know the had been a Impact Report? Owen Smith just commented on one "slipped out late last night"?

Whitewave, I think the debate goes onto about 7 pm . I can't see it getting through so happy days ahead. I am just ignoring the Leavers posts, they can bluster and stamp their feet all they like after taking lessons from their leader.

When this is all over, I will hold a Remain Party, invite only.

Can I come ….

The Eu whilst far from perfect has done a huge lot since our membership We will be damaged for decades and even more than trade we have lots trust and friendship that has kept us free from war for 70 years
I hate the fact that a tiny part of small minded citizens have decided the fate of a country of 66 million people The ‘small minded’ comment comes from the make up of this collection of usually normal nice people ......you have some far right racists, you have some xenophobes, you have some frightened ‘we ll be overrun with Muslims and terrorists’, you have some ‘we want to be great again’ (not sure what that means) and you have some we didn’t fight the Germans to be ordered around by them’ then there’s ‘we want our fishing industry back’ brigade You also have many on both sides who had no idea about the back stop and the Ireland situation and how that would impinge on our country and of course the whole advertising of our need ‘to lesve’ was built on lies and falsehoods The NHS bus being just one
I pray we stay with our friends and work this out for our children our grandchildren and whoever follows

My country is mentally in a civil war situation and it’s damaging very very damaging

Johnson saying that if this bill doesn't get through he will call an election. He's getting a bit cross poor thing.

Loathsome Led some seems to have nothing better to do than send nasty tweets.

Revision on previous comment. No impact report after all.

I wouldn’t get too hopeful if I were you, if the bill is pulled there will have to be a GE, which is what Johnson wants and will no doubt win.
MP’s will have to face the wrath of their constituents in many areas who are fed up to the back teeth of vacillating jellies posing as politicians.

lemongrove a GE will not resolve what the country thinks about leaving Europe. No GE would be run on this single issue. And what difference would it make if the Brexit decision was overturned by a GE rather than a new referendum? The decision would be the same. Or are you playing sneaky like Johnson, knowing a GE won't reflect the country's feeling on Brexit because there would be too many other policies to take into consideration?
I didn't think Johnson can call an election unilaterally? He's tried acting like a dictator before with the proroguing of parliament, apparently he hasn't learned his lesson yet. I was under the impression only parliament can vote for an election outside the fixed term? It seems he could go to the Queen and ask (beg) her to call one. Stand by the people Lizzie, don't oblige him, he lied to you before!