For Remainers Only

I didn't realise Johnson has said he will pull the motion and go for a GE IF the EU decide to extended to January 31st. He seems to have left himself some wriggle room.

Beth on Sky has been told the DUP is going to vote against the Programme Motion.

329/299 to the house agrees to the Second Reading.

Programme Motion government looses 308/322

The House of Commons voting was the best outcome possible in accepting the withdrawal bill for second reading and then rejecting that the whole Act should be put through parliament in three days.

However, once again Johnson is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in not accepting the MPs demand for more time to debate the proposed legislation.

YES...... baby steps but we are getting there

Apparently he had no choice Grandpa. They really should all go and sleep and read the Bill; they have much to do if the do it properly.

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Paused not pulled which he said he would do. Still gaming I feel. Queen's Speech tomorrow and Thursday. More preparation for an Election?

Corbyn made a great gesture in stating that the opposition were willing to join with him in talks on agreeing a timetable to pass the legislation through the House of Commons.

However, Johnson appears to have not accepted that gesture and instead spoke on"pausing the Bill" and consulting the EU Commission on the extension timetable.

Very strange, Trump like, behaviour from Johnson. ,?

'Very strange, Trump like, behaviour from Johnson.'
…..but not surprising...

It looks as if we may be looking for comfy ditch for him as it looks as if he will miss Halloween.

Unless MPs manage to amend the bill to include a confirmatory public vote and such an amended bill is accepted by the government, a most unlikely outcome, I think that that the chances of Remain have now disappeared in the face of extreme right wing popularism.

Our tomorrows and that of our children, grandchildren and great -grandchildren has become more bleak. Our nation is likely to disintegrate and the remaining England will be a country I will be ashamed of , while Wales, Scotland and NI will return to the EU. At the same time the military arms of the DUP will return to the Gun.

I don’t think some realise the significance of the voting tonight.
The vote saying Aye to the second reading was a great relief....
We are on the way at last.
Yes,Parliament wants more time to look at it, but has agreed in principle to accept the deal.?
If we need a short extension to accomplish this then so be it.

What nonsense Absthame!

Oh, how many times do posters have to be reminded that Wales voted to leave?

Not all of us, I should add
But the majority.

Scotland can please themselves, of course, and could well vote again as they did in their last Scottish Independence referendum.

That all sounds a bit hysterical, absthame

At least they now have the opportunity to really see what's in the deal and make amendments. Some thoughts that the extension may be the date in the Benn Act of 31 January.

It's 110 pages apparently, so needs to be inwardly digested and not rushed.

That the house voted on a Bill not a motion, such as the meaningful vote that was voted down, makes a huge difference. It can be amended and the HoC may suggest staying in the a customs union, a Confirmatory vote or whatever. It can still be rejected.

If the Withdrawal Agreement Bill is amended in a way that risks being interpreted as a failure to honour the commitments in the Withdrawal Agreement, then that will constitute a rejection of the Withdrawal Agreement.

After this Committee Stage it goes to the Report Stage where the government may decide to offer amendments that haven't got through the committee stage in order to get it through the Third Reading. The House decides, at this point, whether to accept or reject the amended Bill. The ERG could reject it if it has gone too far from the original for them, for instance. Or the collective opposition could, for example, if it doesn't contain a Confirmatory Referendum.

It then goes to the Lords and Ping Pong. The Lords are certain to amend it. They would be looking at it with regard to the Constitution. Even if a Confirmatory Referendum is not agreed in the Commons it could be included by the Lord's and sent back for a vote.

So all is not lost yet absthame*.

For those who like this sort of thing there is PM As tomorrow.

Or PMQs even.

Opal Leavers have been trying to overturn the original referendum since 1975.

IMO if there is a second referendum now, it should not be a simple majority and then, I think most people would accept the result.

I should add, hopefully with a good grace.

Time will tell if I'm right or wrong; hysterical, no I'm genetically incapable of being hysterical. I am appalled that so many are willing to follow the likes of Cash, Farage, Howard, Rees-Mogg, Johnson etc most of whom the population at large would not trust as far as they can throw them. The final cap is that although they do not trust the aforementioned they trust Corbyn even less.

LemonGrove it may be that the general bitterness you express towards others do you no service. Providers

Well said Gracesgran, bit by bit, its not over yet. On another point isn't it lovely to see no name calling or bitchiness. Long may it last. Be happy.