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Remainers must vote tactically

(214 Posts)
Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Oct-19 08:13:32

Just that really.

Gina Miller will be advising the best way and who to vote for.

I’ll post it as it comes into notice.

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 17:54:20

Not just the Remainers voting tactically!

If the Brexit Party can overcome their own hubris and agree a non-aggression pact with the Tory Party in constituencies and in media PR, the Tories will will win a majority easily.

It does seem as though Nigel is going for Labour’s northern Leavers vote.

jura2 Thu 31-Oct-19 18:00:40

Many Tories among family and acquaintances - they will NOT wish to be tainted with voting in cohuts with Farage and the extreme right.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 18:01:19

That’s not going to happen - their vote share is too narrow which is why they’ve pulled back so many candidates.

Anyway, no point in speculating - what will be will be.

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 18:07:13

Nigel Farage is going to announce what his plans are tomorrow.

It will be crucial for Brexit hopes.

He is under pressure from a handful of Brexit party officials to abandon his pledge to stand in around 600 seats and instead target just 30-50 areas where victory would be almost guaranteed.

For example, Labour voters in Leave areas such as Redcar, Durham and Sunderland are apparently so angry with both the main parties for the failure to deliver Brexit that they may move in droves to the BP.

50 seats in parliament would be no small feat for the party and could even make them kingmakers if parliament returns a hung parliament!

All eyes will be on Nigel tomorrow to see what he decides.

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 18:12:36

Some Tories will have voted to Remain in the EU jura so that’s understandable.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 18:16:48

He won’t have any choice but to pull so many out - he doesn’t have a wide appeal, unsurprisingly.

jura2 Thu 31-Oct-19 18:16:56

Perhaps, but I am not talking about those.
The ones I am thinking about voted 'leave' - some regret it bitterly- others do not, but would never consider an alliance with Farage - never ever.

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 18:18:12

Sometimes you have to sup with the devil - if you want Brexit done.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 18:19:10

Agree Jura. Remember , this election isn’t just about Brexit and Farage et al appear to have nothing else to offer - at least, nothing worth voting for.

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 18:24:51

I disagree Scj it is all about Brexit. For now. It’s the most important decision right now - does our future government take us out - or not?

Everything else can wait. A bit longer.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 18:29:00

How predictable

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 18:32:05

But true.

jura2 Thu 31-Oct-19 18:41:54

''Sometimes you have to sup with the devil ''

I am proud to say, that the many Conservatives I know well, family and friends (bar 2 perhaps)- would recoil at this, and would prefer to abstain or vote otherwise for the first time in their life. I amy disagree with them, many times- but they are honest and true.

lemongrove Thu 31-Oct-19 18:52:16

If supping with the devil was voting for Corbyn.....sorry it couldn’t be done! ?
Yes, this GE is all about Brexit and the only Party to even try and get us out of the EU is the Conservative Party.So they will be getting my vote.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 18:53:10

Not true - merely your (predictable) opinion of what’s important

lemongrove Thu 31-Oct-19 18:57:23

Really? So....all those Conservative, and Labour Remainers who will vote for the Lib Dems are voting that way because?

jura2 Thu 31-Oct-19 18:58:23

lemon- don't know about yur Constituency. But, if the advice from Brexiters was to vote tactically for the Farage and co- would you? Or would it, as for the many decent Conservatives I know, cross a red moral line they could not and would not, cross?

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 18:59:58

Double standards you see dear lemongrove if Remainers do it that’s because they are valiant, honest and true (to their cause).

If we do it, well we are just so .... predictable!

GrannyGravy13 Thu 31-Oct-19 19:00:26

Because Gina Miller told them to grin

Urmstongran Thu 31-Oct-19 19:03:08

Love it! GG13

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 19:07:01

Did you actually understand what I meant by predictable Urm?

I’ll try it another way for you. You appear to think that the election is all about Brexit and that people who’ve never voted for right wing extremists like Farage will now do so because Brexit.

I disagree and believe that more people will look at issues like the NHS, education, social justice and so on and vote along those lines.

jura2 Thu 31-Oct-19 19:09:59

you just don't get it Urmston - it is not about people, it is about what they stand for, for they have provenly stood for in the past, their core values, how they campaigned. Farage has campaigned in the name of racism- most Tories I know will not join in.

Buffybee Thu 31-Oct-19 19:16:47

My area voted 67% leave in the Referendum but we are landed with a Labour MP who is against Brexit.
I am voting Conservative, as I always have and will try to persuade as many Labour voters as I can to vote Conservative, if they want their Referendum vote to be honoured.

jura2 Thu 31-Oct-19 19:20:42

thanks- however, same question as above. If the tactical Brexit vote advised you to vote for Farage and the Brexit party instead- would you cross that line?

Ginny42 Thu 31-Oct-19 19:45:21

I see Trump called in to the Farage radio programme urging him to join forces with Johnson. Do listen.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoZrx3iR6us

Hasn't he got a country to run and an impeachment hanging over his head?