Remainers must vote tactically

Shelmiss I'm actually a LD, although I'm not all that happy with Jo Swinson. That's why I'd feel a bit awkward voting for anybody else, but I would. I agonise about my vote every GE, although I don't know why I bother because the Tory always wins . I've spoken to loads of people in this constituency and I know quite a few think exactly the same as you.

I agree with absolutely Gonegirl. We should have had a second referendum and stuck with it - whatever the result. Then, whoever wins a GE would just have had to get on with it - no excuses - making the best of whatever hand they would have been dealt.

BTW This will make me very unpopular, but I'd dig a huge ditch for most of our party leaders.

I can't see a GE getting this mess sorted. Brexit should have been delivered before a GE or the two become entangled.
So do you vote:
- to stop or deliver Brexit?
- for the PM you want to run the country?
- for the MP you want representing you?
- for the party policies?
Everyone will be voting for something different and that will not resolve anything.

ilovecheese That would be my fear too and it's something which gets brought up on the doorstep. What I do know is that at local level, the LD activists tend towards the left wing of the party and would be very much against going into a coalition with the Tories again. Locally, the Greens, Labour and LD candidates all know each other socially and, to be honest, there's not an awful lot between them.

For once, Chestnut, I agree with you. It's total madness.

Grany

I don’t think you vote for who you want as prime minister. A party is far more than the leader. You should be voting for policies. Tactical voting is important if you want to oust this appalling government.

I'd hazard a guess that a referendum would garner the same result.

Could be wrong of course.

But if Leave did win by a small margin again, do you believe that the Remainers would accept it?

MUST? Exactly what puts voters off. Being bullied and told what they MUST do.

IMO a referendum would have been much preferable so that we could vote on the non-Brexit policies of the parties.

However now that is no longer on the cards, to me the only alternative is to get rid of BJ. What I would have liked to see is the other parties agreeing that if a seat is 'marginal' Tory, only one of the other parties would put up a candidate to avoid splitting the vote: annoying but wouldn't be necessary if we didn't have FPTP.

sussex if you are feeling bullied I didn’t mean it to come across as such.

I should have said but didn’t

If you are a remainer and keen to stop the most immoral, lying, and duplicitous philanderer we have ever had the misfortune to have as PM and also want to remain, it may be sensible to vote tactically if your preferred candidate could not possibly win in the election

But you see it was too long so my OP was shorthand for the message.

Remainers and those keen to stop such an unpleasant man, will get the message without feeling bullied I’m sure.

my ex green candidate in another life was handed 2 massive orchards on a plate in an inheritance. He grubbed up every single apple tree and now it is wheat upon wheat. Green my eye, it is only what they think will get them into a cushy life

the definition of a bully...

someone who hurts or frightens someone else, often over a period of time, and often forcing them to do something that they do not want to do:

gfp

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growstuff I'll help with the digging.

Oh for goodness sake grapefruitpip. There are many definitions of bullying. Don't be so black and white.

Not that I'm saying there is any bullying on this thread. Haven't read enough of it to do that.

Oh, it's the OP.

Come on!

I'm sorry Gonegirl but this is beginning to feel personal and I'm getting rather tired of it.

My opinion is that the word bully is massively overused. My definition was taken from the Cambridge dictionary.

Oopsminty I accept the result anyway, although I personally think it's lunacy. Nevertheless, I genuinely believe that, after over three years and knowing much more about what is entailed, people are now in a better position to judge.

Personally, I would feel slightly happier knowing for sure that people still want to leave, despite having a lot more information available.

Of course, I would prefer a new result to be for Remain, but I would accept a majority decision, with much better knowledge and (hopefully) less overspending and illegality.

Femi
@Femi_Sorry

Who do I WANT to vote for? Greens
Who DID I vote for in the Local & EU (Proportional Representation) Elections? Greens
Which party does the UK need now? Greens

But in a first-past-the-post Brexit-Critical #GE2019, I have to vote tactically.

Which party does the UK need now? Greens

Not if you want to keep the UK it doesn't. I presume you're aware of their stance on the union?

Yes, I am and that's one reason why I probably won't vote for them. They do some good stuff locally and I'd like to see a few more vocal Green MPs (which we'd have with PR) but I disagree with some of their policies.

Nick Reeves - REGISTER TO VOTE - #FBPE
@nickreeves9876
I absolutely loathe Corbyn as a fraud and a sham. But unless there is an extraordinary LibDem surge I'll be voting Labour in a Lab/Con marginal. A PV-supporting Labour government restrained by other parties would be vastly less bad than an unconstrained Johnson-ERG government.

The Brexit Party has just announced that it's starting the tactical vote ball rolling by withdrawing candidates from seats where a Brexit-supporting Conservative is the frontrunner.

The tactical voting website is live now too

Wwmk2 - this is so hard hey? If Starmer took over, it would be so so much simpler.

Where I vote, Lib Dem is the only hope to perhaps beat Tories- or might vote Green just to make the point. I hate the FPP system- which has resulted and every single vote from OH and I going straight in the bin. How can that be 'democratic'.