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Remainers must vote tactically

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Oct-19 08:13:32

Just that really.

Gina Miller will be advising the best way and who to vote for.

I’ll post it as it comes into notice.

growstuff Wed 30-Oct-19 11:12:47

Shelmiss I'm actually a LD, although I'm not all that happy with Jo Swinson. That's why I'd feel a bit awkward voting for anybody else, but I would. I agonise about my vote every GE, although I don't know why I bother because the Tory always wins sad. I've spoken to loads of people in this constituency and I know quite a few think exactly the same as you.

growstuff Wed 30-Oct-19 11:16:12

I agree with absolutely Gonegirl. We should have had a second referendum and stuck with it - whatever the result. Then, whoever wins a GE would just have had to get on with it - no excuses - making the best of whatever hand they would have been dealt.

BTW This will make me very unpopular, but I'd dig a huge ditch for most of our party leaders.

Chestnut Wed 30-Oct-19 11:20:13

I can't see a GE getting this mess sorted. Brexit should have been delivered before a GE or the two become entangled.
So do you vote:
- to stop or deliver Brexit?
- for the PM you want to run the country?
- for the MP you want representing you?
- for the party policies?
Everyone will be voting for something different and that will not resolve anything.

growstuff Wed 30-Oct-19 11:20:36

ilovecheese That would be my fear too and it's something which gets brought up on the doorstep. What I do know is that at local level, the LD activists tend towards the left wing of the party and would be very much against going into a coalition with the Tories again. Locally, the Greens, Labour and LD candidates all know each other socially and, to be honest, there's not an awful lot between them.

growstuff Wed 30-Oct-19 11:21:17

For once, Chestnut, I agree with you. It's total madness.

Scentia Wed 30-Oct-19 11:24:29

Grany

I don’t think you vote for who you want as prime minister. A party is far more than the leader. You should be voting for policies. Tactical voting is important if you want to oust this appalling government.

Oopsminty Wed 30-Oct-19 11:25:28

I'd hazard a guess that a referendum would garner the same result.

Could be wrong of course.

But if Leave did win by a small margin again, do you believe that the Remainers would accept it?

Sussexborn Wed 30-Oct-19 11:28:06

MUST? Exactly what puts voters off. Being bullied and told what they MUST do.

humptydumpty Wed 30-Oct-19 11:30:10

IMO a referendum would have been much preferable so that we could vote on the non-Brexit policies of the parties.

However now that is no longer on the cards, to me the only alternative is to get rid of BJ. What I would have liked to see is the other parties agreeing that if a seat is 'marginal' Tory, only one of the other parties would put up a candidate to avoid splitting the vote: annoying but wouldn't be necessary if we didn't have FPTP.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Oct-19 11:57:29

sussex if you are feeling bullied I didn’t mean it to come across as such.

I should have said but didn’t

If you are a remainer and keen to stop the most immoral, lying, and duplicitous philanderer we have ever had the misfortune to have as PM and also want to remain, it may be sensible to vote tactically if your preferred candidate could not possibly win in the election

But you see it was too long so my OP was shorthand for the message.

Remainers and those keen to stop such an unpleasant man, will get the message without feeling bullied I’m sure.

craftyone Wed 30-Oct-19 11:58:55

my ex green candidate in another life was handed 2 massive orchards on a plate in an inheritance. He grubbed up every single apple tree and now it is wheat upon wheat. Green my eye, it is only what they think will get them into a cushy life

grapefruitpip Wed 30-Oct-19 12:02:17

the definition of a bully...

someone who hurts or frightens someone else, often over a period of time, and often forcing them to do something that they do not want to do:

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Oct-19 12:03:29

gfp

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Gonegirl Wed 30-Oct-19 12:03:45

growstuff grin I'll help with the digging.

Gonegirl Wed 30-Oct-19 12:05:08

Oh for goodness sake grapefruitpip. There are many definitions of bullying. Don't be so black and white.

Not that I'm saying there is any bullying on this thread. Haven't read enough of it to do that.

Gonegirl Wed 30-Oct-19 12:06:17

Oh, it's the OP.

Come on! hmm

grapefruitpip Wed 30-Oct-19 12:07:20

I'm sorry Gonegirl but this is beginning to feel personal and I'm getting rather tired of it.

My opinion is that the word bully is massively overused. My definition was taken from the Cambridge dictionary.

growstuff Wed 30-Oct-19 12:10:44

Oopsminty I accept the result anyway, although I personally think it's lunacy. Nevertheless, I genuinely believe that, after over three years and knowing much more about what is entailed, people are now in a better position to judge.

Personally, I would feel slightly happier knowing for sure that people still want to leave, despite having a lot more information available.

Of course, I would prefer a new result to be for Remain, but I would accept a majority decision, with much better knowledge and (hopefully) less overspending and illegality.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Oct-19 12:12:15

Femi
@Femi_Sorry

Who do I WANT to vote for? Greens
Who DID I vote for in the Local & EU (Proportional Representation) Elections? Greens
Which party does the UK need now? Greens

But in a first-past-the-post Brexit-Critical #GE2019, I have to vote tactically.

SirChenjin Wed 30-Oct-19 13:15:55

Which party does the UK need now? Greens

Not if you want to keep the UK it doesn't. I presume you're aware of their stance on the union?

growstuff Wed 30-Oct-19 13:19:29

Yes, I am and that's one reason why I probably won't vote for them. They do some good stuff locally and I'd like to see a few more vocal Green MPs (which we'd have with PR) but I disagree with some of their policies.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Oct-19 15:25:55

Nick Reeves - REGISTER TO VOTE - #FBPE
@nickreeves9876
I absolutely loathe Corbyn as a fraud and a sham. But unless there is an extraordinary LibDem surge I'll be voting Labour in a Lab/Con marginal. A PV-supporting Labour government restrained by other parties would be vastly less bad than an unconstrained Johnson-ERG government.

growstuff Thu 31-Oct-19 17:28:40

The Brexit Party has just announced that it's starting the tactical vote ball rolling by withdrawing candidates from seats where a Brexit-supporting Conservative is the frontrunner.

SirChenjin Thu 31-Oct-19 17:31:04

The tactical voting website is live now too

jura2 Thu 31-Oct-19 17:38:59

Wwmk2 - this is so hard hey? If Starmer took over, it would be so so much simpler.

Where I vote, Lib Dem is the only hope to perhaps beat Tories- or might vote Green just to make the point. I hate the FPP system- which has resulted and every single vote from OH and I going straight in the bin. How can that be 'democratic'.