Remainers must vote tactically

I'm interested in your claim that these politicians have implied the British public are bullies. Can you elaborate Urm?

Certainly, Sjc

I think pretty much everyone is aware those MP’s have had personal attacks (verbal) from the British public. I wonder why? Have you an igloo?

They now want to stand down. Their viewpoints won’t wash in a GE. They know the game is up.

It’s one thing pontificating in the HoC.

Quite another to explain yourself to your constituents! They jumped. Before they were pushed.

You're started to sound a bit hysterical Urm.

I'll indulge you. Does that apply to all the politicians who have decided to step down, or just the remain ones?

Hysterical?
A 6 year old?

What put downs to someone who just wants to contribute to a friendly debate.

So you’ll indulge me? How patronising!

No wonder a lot of GN’s ‘lurk’ but don’t post.
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I can’t comment on the 6 year old claim but yes, I stand by the hysterical. Read back through your posts - you sound absolutely obsessed with Brexit to the detriment of everything else. It’s really not healthy.

I’ll ask again. Are you extending that glee to all the excellent, committed, long standing, politicians who have decided to step down or just the remain ones?

If I’m ‘obsessed ‘ by Brexit - as you put it - it’s because on this thread I said it’s the most important aspect of the impending GE.

Don’t tell me Gina Millar is proposing tactical voting because of any other issue!

Gina bloody Millar ....give it a rest.

This from a fan of Johnson, Farage and Trump.

Urmstongran Unfortunately it is the people who voted leave and who do not support Corbyn or Swinson who are being targeted with rude posts.

It is happening on every political thread I can only assume having seen the latest opinion polls which put The Conservatives/Boris Johnson on 41% they are beginning to panic

I won't be tactically voting and certainly not bothered about Gina Miller. Mine will probably be a protest vote as none of these politicians are fit for the job.

yes gina bloody miller and her flock of impotent sheep

if you want sheep, look at Farage's racist supporters.

Actually sheep have more intelligence.

being targeted

That sounds very serious, better report it.

Not quite so impotent iirc.

Fair comment gfp but at least I don’t resort to mean comments.

Hysterical.
A six year old.
‘Go on, I’ll indulge you’

Jeez.

Thank you for ‘getting it’ GG13 and craftyone!
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Funny how these threads descend into name calling. It’s a shame really imo. Surely it would be more interesting to exchange iewpoints?

Play the ball, not the (wo)man?

grapefruitpip I am not in the habit of reporting posts, especially if they are offensive, bullying or any such like.
In my humble opinion it is best to leave them on a thread for all to see.

you sound absolutely obsessed with Brexit to the detriment of everything else
hysterical
SirChenjin you could have said that to any number of posters on GN, both Leavers and Remainers!

Astonishing that you are only targeting one poster who always sounds quite reasonable to me even if I don't necessarily agree with her views.

I always thought that you were quite reasonable too.

I am despondent at what is happening in Parliament and across the country - normal, nice people at each others' throats.

As someone else pointed out, no wonder so many have drifted away from the political threads.

If they’re offensive or bullying then that’s extremely serious Granny. If you’re not prepared to take a stand against such bullies then I’m sure others will and GN will remove the posts immediately as per their guidelines.

I’m with Urmstongran in that this election is all about the EU. I don’t want the same outcome but I honestly would hold my nose and put up with virtually any party for a few years who would stop us leaving. But with an election my vote is actually useless in a big pro-leave area.

The thing is, I think we should have had a confirmation of the leave vote (or otherwise) instead, and then I think even those of us who are staunchly pro-remain would have accepted it. We wouldn’t have liked it but I think it would have drawn a line under the hatred, name-calling (on both sides) and despair. Most people are not as mean spirited as they seem online and would like to feel that although the sands have shifted somewhat over the last three years we could honestly say we still want to leave (or not).

As it is, the politicians are out campaigning and many of us aren’t listening. Leaving/not leaving has such enormous consequences that even the things I really care about pale into insignificance. This leave/remain thing is for generations, not just a few years.

As regards tactical voting, I read an article two days ago that was explaining how a particular website was giving “false” suggestions. It was not deliberately misleading- just not nuanced enough to be useful and could damage your intentions. If I can find the article again I’ll send a link.

I agree Not. This election will not put the B question to bed - it always was an advisory vote (although it appears that some didn’t realise that), which means that we should have had the opportunity to vote on the terms. Brexit is not a single entity - and that was reflected in the numerous Parliamentary votes. The sensible, reasonable solution would have been a cross party approach with a few options put to the public vote.

" being targeted" implies a cunning plan.......fingers hovering over keyboards waiting for their victim. Maybe they have a tick list...
Leave voter ..tick
Millar fan ...cross
Corbyn fan ....cross.

let the targeting begin.

growstuff
these politicians have implied that the British public are bullies

If you hadn't realised that by now I am astonished.

It's normal for a number of politicians to stand down at a GE but this time so many have cited bullying, death threats and other threats of violence against them and even their families, as the reason.

It must be very difficult for a politician who is either a committed remainer or leaver if their constituency voted differently to their views but bullying is not the answer, the answer lies with the ballot box.

Ken Clarke does deserve his retirement at 79 - or perhaps will carry on contributing his wisdom in the H of L.

Sirchenjin We all know that the referendum was "advisory" but the government of that time stated verbally and in the leaflets sent to all households that the result of the referendum would be upheld

And most politicians voted to trigger Article 50.

And since when do Tory politicians tell the truth Granny?

Who is Gina Miller? No honestly, I really don't know.
Would have though that most of the (over sixties? ) or so on here had enough life experience to make their own minds up...

I'm voting Corbyn

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