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Remainers must vote tactically

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Whitewavemark2 Wed 30-Oct-19 08:13:32

Just that really.

Gina Miller will be advising the best way and who to vote for.

I’ll post it as it comes into notice.

Pantglas2 Fri 01-Nov-19 10:47:12

And since when do ANY politicians tell the truth?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 01-Nov-19 11:03:46

pantglas2 they all lie to get elected, then they continue to lie to keep their jobs and nice expense account!

jura2 Fri 01-Nov-19 11:12:26

Pantglas2 - I know quite a few. Brilliant people, totally dedicated to their job and their community- and who could get much better paid jobs elsewhere. Yes, really.

growstuff Fri 01-Nov-19 12:49:37

Urmstongran Heidi Allen isn't standing down because she doesn't represent her constituency on Brexit. Her constituency voted over 60% to remain and she would have stood a fighting chance of retaining her seat, even as a LibDem because she's quite well respected in her constituency.

Her problems are with the Conservative Party, which she sees as a thoroughly "nasty party". She's a successful businesswoman in her own right and (maybe naively) thought that going into politics would enable her to make a difference to people's lives. She's never been a typical Conservative, but doesn't fit the Labour Party mould either. Coming from a small business background, she also believes that Brexit will be damaging.

She's had some problems with a very small section of Leave-supporting right wingers, some of whom published her address. She's genuinely frightened about the safety of her family. She's also had some vile comments on social media from the same group of people.

Nevertheless, the reason she's standing down is because she doesn't see that she fits into the current system and thinks that the system is so broken that she wouldn't be able to bring about the changes she wanted. I've no doubt she will carry on working in a different capacity to try and fulfil her ambitions, but she's disillusioned with national politics.

I don't know her, but I do live a couple of miles from the border of her constituency and I know plenty of people who wanted to vote for her in the upcoming election. To claim that the "British public" has forced her to resign is grossly misleading.

Urmstongran Fri 01-Nov-19 14:43:41

Heidi Allen.

Who during the 2017 election campaign, couldn’t have been clearer, telling a hustings: ‘I was a Remainer, but the minute we start ignoring the democratic will of the people in this country, we are slipping very quickly towards the kind of banana republic I don’t want to live in… So we have to accept the result.’

She stood on a manifesto (and elected) to deliver Brexit. They blatantly tell their voters one thing and do precisely the opposite!

And to be elected wearing one rosette and then casually swap it for another. This is political fraud. And we shouldn’t let them forget it.

jura2 Fri 01-Nov-19 14:50:38

Yes- brave to change your mind as you find out the facts, the consequences and become aware of how it was achieved (yes fraud- in so many forms. Parts of Johnson is sitting on now, on proven Russian interference- refusing to publish the findings of the commission). Any decent person would do that.

lemongrove Fri 01-Nov-19 14:54:14

Of course this GE is all about Brexit, you would have had to have been living under a rock to think otherwise.Why does anyone think tactical voting( as advised by the obsessed Gina Miller) is going to be done....just for fun?

GracesGranMK3 Fri 01-Nov-19 15:07:17

Every single person will decide what this election is for them and no stubborn determination to instruct them will make any difference.

I don't see it as all about Brexit so what does anyone think the Brexit Bullies should? Beat me up behind the bike shed and insist I tow the line?

lemongrove Fri 01-Nov-19 15:09:40

Tow the line to where??

jura2 Fri 01-Nov-19 15:11:50

so lemon- you should agree that a Referendum on the current situation would serve the purpose much much better. We will probably end up with hung Parliament.

lemongrove Fri 01-Nov-19 15:13:55

How do you work that one out Jura2 ?
No, a GE is just fine.

lemongrove Fri 01-Nov-19 15:16:25

Johnson will surely do better than T May as he is much more popular, and anyway, he certainly couldn’t do any worse!

jura2 Fri 01-Nov-19 15:16:49

A GE is about lots of different issues- not about Brexit. The mix is not helpful, at all- It is simple to see.

jura2 Fri 01-Nov-19 15:19:10

Not a fan of Blair, but he explains this very well- don't mix!

youtu.be/NCsxHkwcCbs

Grandad1943 Fri 01-Nov-19 15:48:57

I voted remain in the referendum but I do firmly believe that the result of that ballot cannot be just disregarded.

I also believe that the Labour Party policies of protecting workers rights, workplace safety and the environment are for me correct.

Therefore I most certainly could not vote Conservative and the Liberal Democrat policy of disregarding the referendum result means that only Labour is open for me.

However, my area is traditionally Tory with the LibDems polling second in the last General Election. But, due to the foregoing, I cannot vote for either of the above, so my vote will in all probably mean little when I poll for the Labour Party.

Urmstongran Fri 01-Nov-19 16:02:16

It is pretty clear-if you want to break up the U.K. vote Labour.

Corbyn will be Sturgeon’s poodle.

Once Scotland becomes independent the SNP will introduce a low tax business friendly regime driving many employers north of the border to escape Corbyn’s punitive tax regime.

Sparklefizz Fri 01-Nov-19 16:03:48

Why are people so personally insulting to others who happen to disagree with them?

Telling people they "must be a bit thick", posting "Duh!" and "Oh dear" sarcastically.

Play nicely children grin

jura2 Fri 01-Nov-19 17:07:57

It is pretty clear-if you want to break up the U.K. vote Labour Tory/Brexit party alliance.

SirChenjin Fri 01-Nov-19 17:34:36

A Tory/Brexit Party victory will absolutely guarantee the end of the Union - no question. Ironic, isn’t it.

Dinahmo Fri 01-Nov-19 18:05:23

Websites to enable people to vote tactically have been around for a long time . Tactical.vote provides the results from the last GE for each constituency to enable voters to check which party is likely to best if they don't like the current incumbent. This site doesn't tell people how to vote.

There is another site which recommends voting for Lib Dems in Kensington and Westminster when in the last GE they achieved a poor third. The Lib Dem candidates are Sam Gyimah and Chukka Umunna, both high profile candidates which may be why this site is recommending them.

Farage has said that unless Johnson drops his deal with the EU the Brexit Party will field 600 candidates.

Corbyn has said that if Labour win they will negotiate a new deal and put it to the country with their deal or Remain as the choice. As someone above said, their should have been a confirmatory vote on the present deal. After all, when we joined the EU the deal was presented to us for acceptance or rejection.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 05-Nov-19 15:30:29

Look what could happen, if we are organised. Let’s do it?

Callistemon Tue 05-Nov-19 15:37:08

I'm not sure how that would work though as so many 'floating' voters seem bewildered about what is Labour's stance.

Last time I was certain that the Lib Dems would gain seats especially in remain voting constituencies where the MP was a brexit supporter but they did not; in fact their share of the vote went down.

Tooting29 Tue 05-Nov-19 16:45:36

I believe in voting for the best candidate for my constituency and safeguards local interests

ladymuck Tue 05-Nov-19 16:50:47

Just seen that dreadful Jo Swinson on the news. I do hope she doesn't become the next PM. For one thing, she doesn't believe in democracy.

Ginny42 Tue 05-Nov-19 17:25:31

As far as I'm aware 'that dreadful Jo Swinson' is not a serial liar. I'm not a Lib Dem voter, but she's right when she says she can do a better job than either Johnson or Corbyn.