should Corbyn and Watson both resign - or just lose the election?

Wow! Just seen that over £90,000 under 34 year olds registered to vote on Tuesday alone. If registrations carry on at this rate, they could have quite an influence on Labour's overall total. It depends, of course, where they are. If they're from people in places which are already strongholds for any party, they won't make much difference. They're an unknown for the moment.

As mentioned above, many younger people seem to find the grandad look appealing, so who knows?

Momentum, raised £100000 in 12 hours since the election announcement.

That represents thousands of people.

The Tories can raise that in an instant from just one person. That person hopes for tax cuts and the ability to increase their wealth.

That £100000 represents people hopes and aspiration for a fairer and kinder society.

But thousands won't win an election. Labour needs millions of voters - in the right places. I'm sorry to say that I don't think I've ever come across anybody who would vote for Labour now who's voted for somebody else in the past. I've come across plenty who wouldn't vote for Corbyn. Maybe there will be enough people who've never voted before to save the day.

it is such a pity that people so rarely read a title and discuss its content and just shoot from the hip willy nilly. A pity

Just as well the autocorrect didn’t omit “hip”Jura .

ahahahaha

middle-aged white malenesss

I suppose Starmer is middle-aged although he seems relatively young to me.

Not McDonnell - it would just be a continuation of elderly male stale and he is too controversial to appeal to those who might consider voting Labour and would be the ones to swing the vote.

Corbyn seemed to be very popular with the younger generation

Re the OP
No, I think that that neither Corbyn nor Watson are a good bet but it's too late to do anything about it.
Would Corbyn resign anyway?

Ah, sweet, MaizieD, but too young to vote
Is he a grandad yet?
If he resigned he could have more time on his hands and could join GN.

growstuff
I am astonished that at least 90,000 under 34 year olds were not registered to vote and have only just woken up to the fact that they can

Unless it is actually that number of 18-21 year olds?

They didn’t want to vote in the last election ?

It's time for real change

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Vote Labour and Corbyn

So let's ditch the old established bloke in favour of what? A younger more professional politician? I think a lot of people have had enough of them. Look at the track record on every main political party. Labour had Tony Blair, the Tories had Cameron and the Lib Dems Clegg. They've all moved on to pastures new with more money, leaving a mess behind them. Corbyn isn't doing it as a stepping stone to a more lucrative career he's doing it because he's a socialist and he cares about people. As for all the remarks about his looks, he's old. It's ageism to criticise hm for that. If it were anyone else GNers would be shouting out about it. As it is it seems anything can be said about him. It is weird that older people can criticise someone for being old!

Agree with what you said trisher

Not usual to retire in one’s 50’s, different when in 70’s

He needs new glasses. His existing ones are not level. Makes me think of Fred Scuttle.

I haven't a clue who they are. Maybe they were too young to vote in the last election. Maybe some of them are students, who are registered wherever they're studying but will be on holiday and are eligible to vote at their home address. Younger people tend to be more mobile, so maybe some of them put registering to vote on the backburner.

I was amazed at how many there were too. About half a million babies with British nationality are born every year, so over a million people didn't vote in the last election and even more didn't have the chance to vote in the referendum. They're an unknown quantity.

Callistemon I think you're the first person on here to mention swing voters specifically. Along with the 18-19 year olds who have never voted, they're the ones who matter. It doesn't really matter what life-long Conservative and Labour supporters and members think because they won't change. If Labour is to win, it needs to persuade enough swing voters. They've lost some with their dithering about Brexit, so they're going to have to rely on people who hate the Tories and can hold their noses to vote Labour, even if they do dislike Corbyn, his shadow cabinet and Momentum.

I certainly won't be placing any bets on the outcome of this election, although I think we're going to see a few big upsets in individual constituencies.

Trisher I too agree with you.

Does anyone remember the press comments after Michael Foot appeared at the Cenotaph wearing a "donkey jacket"? The right wing papers trampled all over him. But it was a short overcoat by Jaeger which his wife bought at Harrods. Apparently the Queen Mum congratulated him for wearing it as it was the right clothing for the weather.

Foot was a clever man and a good orator but sadly remembered as Worzel Gumidge

That damn donkey Jacket, it was not a donkey jacket, Jill showed it to me and she was really upset .

Corbyn was admonished for wearing an anorak. Sorry, it's not nice but it's about playing the game.

trisher, I admire JC. He is a great activist, and I am not concerned about his age, his looks or his glasses. But the reality is, that he is un-electable...Whereas Keir Starmer would bring in 10s of 1000s of new voters and 10s of 1000s of those who resigned from the party in last few years.

Maybe Keir has the whole package?

Corbyn ain’t going to resign before the election but the party might have a rethink afterwards, 6 weeks is a very long time in politics there will be all sorts of twists and turns.

The Tories do have the upper hand because their big money supporters will throw millions into the conservative campaign, so barring any unforeseen major scandal they should be the largest party, how large - we will see.

Michael was physically disabled , he was not wearing an anorak or a donkey jacket, he wore a short wool coat because full length would have been difficult.