should Corbyn and Watson both resign - or just lose the election?

Wave your magic wand and he/she may appear out of a hat trisher!

Corbyn lead ?

Callistemon then perhaps what we need is someone with no ministerial experience who will bring a new attitude to government and lead but not dominate, listening to others and accepting that a policy of cooperation is better than a policy of dictatorship. After all there have been a lot of experienced people who have made a complete f* up of being PM.

I take your point, trisher about age and with age should come experience, but Corbyn does not have any ministerial experience as he has spent his Parliamentary life on the back benches rebelling.

Jura, I meant all the personal comments about people’s appearance etc.

Corbyn has no idea which way to go. Johnson wants out, maybe with a deal. Liberal Democrat’s definitely not democratic by cancelling out the vote. What is happening to our politics

Starmer would undoubtedly get many more votes but is not likely to become leader, just like David was not chosen over brother Ed. The current Labour membership are far to left wing and will choose a leftist leader, Starmers politics are much more centerist like David M and possibly Blair

“ Never thought of BJ as remotely attractive and can only assume the women he attracts are interested in power and fame (or infamy perhaps).”

It’s because he is a fool, make a woman laugh and you’re half way there, add flattery and money - - - .

sorry Dyffryn, could you explain what you mean here?

What a horrible thread. Discussing people like you are. Quite disgusted actually.

Milliband and the bacon sandwich.....what on earth was that all about? I still don't know.
David, photogenic, could have done well.

Never thought of BJ as remotely attractive and can only assume the women he attracts are interested in power and fame (or infamy perhaps).

Sometimes it seems to hang on the most ridiculous points. I remember Neil Kinnock walking in to a labour event looking incredibly smug and that seemed to seal his fate. Falling over on the beach didn't help either. Ed Miliband taking a bite of a hamburger with his unfortunately overbite - not his fault but not a pleasant look.

Nothing all to do with their politics but I guess it affects people's perception.

OK Annie, here you are clearly an expert.

Politics is not about the coat you wear.

Michael was physically disabled , he was not wearing an anorak or a donkey jacket, he wore a short wool coat because full length would have been difficult.

Corbyn ain’t going to resign before the election but the party might have a rethink afterwards, 6 weeks is a very long time in politics there will be all sorts of twists and turns.

The Tories do have the upper hand because their big money supporters will throw millions into the conservative campaign, so barring any unforeseen major scandal they should be the largest party, how large - we will see.

Maybe Keir has the whole package?

trisher, I admire JC. He is a great activist, and I am not concerned about his age, his looks or his glasses. But the reality is, that he is un-electable...Whereas Keir Starmer would bring in 10s of 1000s of new voters and 10s of 1000s of those who resigned from the party in last few years.

Corbyn was admonished for wearing an anorak. Sorry, it's not nice but it's about playing the game.

That damn donkey Jacket, it was not a donkey jacket, Jill showed it to me and she was really upset .

Trisher I too agree with you.

Does anyone remember the press comments after Michael Foot appeared at the Cenotaph wearing a "donkey jacket"? The right wing papers trampled all over him. But it was a short overcoat by Jaeger which his wife bought at Harrods. Apparently the Queen Mum congratulated him for wearing it as it was the right clothing for the weather.

Foot was a clever man and a good orator but sadly remembered as Worzel Gumidge

Callistemon I think you're the first person on here to mention swing voters specifically. Along with the 18-19 year olds who have never voted, they're the ones who matter. It doesn't really matter what life-long Conservative and Labour supporters and members think because they won't change. If Labour is to win, it needs to persuade enough swing voters. They've lost some with their dithering about Brexit, so they're going to have to rely on people who hate the Tories and can hold their noses to vote Labour, even if they do dislike Corbyn, his shadow cabinet and Momentum.

I certainly won't be placing any bets on the outcome of this election, although I think we're going to see a few big upsets in individual constituencies.

I haven't a clue who they are. Maybe they were too young to vote in the last election. Maybe some of them are students, who are registered wherever they're studying but will be on holiday and are eligible to vote at their home address. Younger people tend to be more mobile, so maybe some of them put registering to vote on the backburner.

I was amazed at how many there were too. About half a million babies with British nationality are born every year, so over a million people didn't vote in the last election and even more didn't have the chance to vote in the referendum. They're an unknown quantity.

He needs new glasses. His existing ones are not level. Makes me think of Fred Scuttle.

Not usual to retire in one’s 50’s, different when in 70’s