Considering voting Labour?

This isn’t selling the Labour Party to anyone who believes in choice!

Yes Pant. Choice to go with an independant small landlord rather than the big souless large portfolio one with the landlord licence (having a team to tick boxes does NOT = better properties for renter!). That choice was lost in areas that trialed labours proposed housing policy!

Yet interestingly, the labour voters I know are happy to chose air bnb for their holidays. I dont because of what it had done to our local rental market. One of the big labour canvasers near me owns a second property which is on airbnb rather than let out properly! You couldnt make it up!
But of course only labour supporters care about gig economy isssues...

Labour voting colleagues and friends also cant believe that I dont have the uber app and will wait 10mins longer for my taxi....

But wait 5 mins and we'll be told (again) that we don't care about these things if we don't vote labour.

What we keep hearing like a mantra is ‘Labour want the best choices for people’.It’s meaningless.
Any political party can trot that one out.The way in which people want the best choice will certainly not be delivered by a Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum government in any case.
They want to ‘soak the rich’ ( another mantra) to pay for all the mad cap policies such as free tuition at Uni’s, but the truth is that amount of money is simply not forthcoming from the 5% ( if that) of the population that earn big salaries. What they would do to big businesses in the UK is anyones guess, but they view them as evil ( instead of seeing them as huge employers and generators of money.)
They would seek to privatise as much as possible, again with what results? Corbyn and McDonnell have followed a Marxist path all their lives, they aren’t going to stop now.

Nobody seems to talk about my Care job?

Or a new development...AC, flat rented, quite literally crumbling?

Do you really not understand about zero hours contracts and how they are used notanan2 A worker is only given work if the employer chooses to give it. So upset the apple cart by complaining, reporting a dodgy contract or any other infringement and you will find your self without work for quite a while. Minimum hour contracts state how many hours you work each week, and the employer can't change that.
There are problems with permanent contracts and employees do take action against employers, but it takes a lot of effort and time.
It is difficult to enforce legal work -related legislation. If you are interested look at "Pregnant then screwed" a website for women who are dismissed because they are pregnant. But just because it's difficult to enforce doesn't mean we shouldn't have legislation.

notanan For anyone that is self employed the student loan repayment is calculated be reference to their taxable profits and it is added to their tax liability for the year. Until they know their profits they cannot know the amount that they will have to repay.

Anyone with any nous to be self employed would know to put 20per cent in a savings account wouldn’t they? If not, then they shouldn’t be self employed without good financial advice.

Pantglas2 Quote [ Anyone with any nous to be self employed would know to put 20per cent in a savings account wouldn’t they? If not, then they shouldn’t be self-employed without good financial advice.] End Quote.

Pantglas2, Anyone with any nous of being self-employed would know that Gig Economy terms of employment is in reality self-employment.

Those in the Gig economy are contracted to work for a company as self-employed, but clauses are placed in the contract that they are on call to that company at any time the organisation contracting them may wish.

A clause is normally also placed in the contract to state that the Gig Economy contractor will not carry out work for any other company while the contract with the first company is in force.

Many such Gig Economy contracts have been given out to those working in the fast-food delivery sector and in that are accompanied by hourly rates of remuneration inline with the minimum wage.

So Pantglas2, please inform me how such Gig Economy Self Employed workers would be able to place twenty percent of such earnings into savings when employed in such conditions?

In addition to my above post @20:54, I would point out that joint court actions by a number of Trade unions against several companies using Gig Economy terms of employment has resulted in them winning those actions.

Several of the fast-food companies have now ceased engaging workers on such terms due to that court action. However, such terms of employment are still widespread throughout many industries in Britain and the Supreme Court are at present investigating whether such employment terms should be ruled illegal under present legislation.

The Trades Unions have appealed to the Tory Government several times following their victories in the courts to change employment legislation to make such employment practices illegal thereby mitigating the need for further legal action on their part. However, the government has consistently refused to bring forward such changes.

In responce, those Tory governments have just brought forward more anti-trade union legislation in regard to "checkoff" terms of subscription to them.

Totally disgusting.

Well, it would seem that Pantglas2 or no other forum member engaged in the discussion on zero hours contracts and self-employed Gig Economy workers are prepared to inform me and others how such persons should put twenty percent of their very unstable and often meagre earnings into savings each week.

However, that should be no surprise as whenever rightwing thinkers and Brexitiers are asked any direct questions in regard to their reasoning, no reply is ever forthcoming.

Thanks grandad for you informed posting

Save 20 per cent? I think not.

Labour is beginning to follow the 2017 result in the polls. The difference is that the Tories are behind what they were in 2017 and don’t seem to have any strategy

Beth Rigby@bethrigby
Good Corbyn interview via ⁦*@GuardianHeather*⁩
- Says Brexit policy must stand. Time to move onto social justice/climate emergency
- He took unilateral decision to go for GE
- He’s not going to attack Johnson personally: “They go low we go high”

Corbyn has told his cabinet that the debate over Brexit is over.

The focus must shift to social justice and climate.

Good strategy.

It would be, if the debate over Brexit were indeed over … but it isn't - and won't be for a very long time. It's a vote losing strategy.

Brexit debate is totally divided and it is time wasting to debate at this stage.

Corbyn is offering a referendum to allow the voter to accept/decline the WA

Job done.

Now move onto other important stuff.

However, that should be no surprise as whenever rightwing thinkers and Brexitiers are asked any direct questions in regard to their reasoning, no reply is ever forthcoming.

You know that not everyone who is left likes labour?

Disliking labour does not make you right wing. It just makes you not a fan of labour...

Dismissing all labour critics as right wing/tories is just weak debating.

It is often left voters who have nobody to vote for who have most reason to be disappointed in, and critical of, labour!

It just sounds cultish when labour supporters dismiss all decent & critique of your good leader as obviously just ignorant mail reading evil Tories.

That kind of tribalistic dogmatic mentality is scary and I will vote against the party that is encouraging it!

Labour Imminent announcement on WASPI

Did anyone watch Politics Live. There was a review of a book called "Good Economics for Hard Times: better answers to our biggest problems". The economist was rather more honest about the big figures - GDP, etc., - than we normally get from politicians and was talking about "people centred" economics, which, she was saying is easier to do accurately than the big figures. There was a bit of talk at the end which made me want to hear more. Did anyone else see it?

Could you explainwhat left wing policies are supported by those who dislike Labour then notanan2? Someone may claim not to be right wing but support policies which are.

There aren't policies this time round that appeal to many left and centre leaning voters. That is the problem!
People who previously voted labour no longer feel represented by them.
See all the threads about voters (many ex labour voters) who feel politically homeless at the moment!

There's nothing wrong with Labour's policies, notanan, it's their Brexit stance that's p*ssing people off, and the determined anti-semitism smear campaign.

I'll try this again:

'left wing views held by people who consider themselves to be 'right wing'