Considering voting Labour?

There may be some notanan2 but there are probably far more people who want a truly socialist government. Older people like me who watched New Labour sell out to the Tories so even the Lib Dems were further left than them and younger people who have seen the damage and experienced it and don't want to live in the sort of society where profit is the only motive, the rich prosper and the poor fall further behind. But anyway the policies of this Labour party are not far left. They are centre left. They just aren't the right wing policies of the past. Interesting that you can't support any of them. Not even those on decent housing or taking back ownership of the railways which is supported by so many.

As I have already said, if a policy has been trialed and failed at local levels, rolling it out nationally is idiotic.

This does not mean that I don't want housing tackled. It means that labour's approach of ploughing ahead even if the evidence demands a rethink, is both wasteful and likely to do more harm than good.

But hey, if it wins votes who cares if it actually works or not..

I saw Jeremy Corbyn speak on Saturday. The points he was making were all positive and constructive ones, including a lot on the Green Industrial Revolution, which is an integrated way of dealing with climate change, fuel poverty and creating well paid jobs. It all seemed very doable to me.
He got a lot of applause on the NHS points and on the employment protection issues.
I'm in favour of a second referendum because of something I came across last week. We had a team of young men in who were sorting out the fire alarms in a large building. We got chatting and one of them told me he was 20, chatted about his training and the fact that he was engaged. the other members of the team were a year to 18 months younger, all with aspirations. None of them had the opportunity to vote in the referendum because they were too young, their lives are being affected by the votes of people like my mother who died shortly afterwards and is no longer around to benefit/suffer as a result of her decision. So long has now passed that I don't think it is fair that the people who are moving into their 20's should not now have a say.
I can't say that any of the leaders are 100% my favourites for the role within their parties. If the choice was between Rishi Sunak, Jess Phillips and Chuka Umunna I'd have more confidence.
I will be voting Labour again this time (last time was the first time) I'd like to see a government that really does care about the disabled, older people and those who are struggling on minimum wage and universal credit.

*notanan2 As I have already said, if a policy has been trialed and failed at local levels, rolling it out nationally is idiotic
Just the way the Tories b**** up Universal Credit then?!!!

You know Tories can be bad AND labour can be bad. It's not mutually exclusive. Tory cock ups dont make Labour good by default!

Going "but but look over there at the Tories.." just sounds like deflection..

But funny how Tory cock-ups always make sure it's the poorest who suffer!!

Hasan Patel ?
@CorbynistaTeen

If you earn £82,000 a year, you’d pay £8.30 more a month in tax under Labour. Don’t forget only 5% of the UK earns £80k or more- 95% of us aren’t affected.

In return, we’d get a Green New Deal, free education, a proper NHS and homes for all.

Don’t let the Tories scare you.

Interested to see where £8.30 figure came from.

McDonnell wants to do away with Inheritance tax and introduce a “lifetime gift tax” totally unworkable who adds up every gift they have given to their Children and Grandchildren? Does it include help whilst at Uni, driving lessons, holidays?

Rich people are always in a flap about Inheritance tax...millions don't make it to Uni or have huge debts.

Is the norm to take 3 or 4 decent holidays and pay for AC?

We do treat our AC and GC to at least one holiday a year, paid for all their driving lessons, first cars and insurance.

In the SE of UK an average 3 bed flat/house is over £350,000, together with any savings or family “heirlooms” and Labour will want to tax the lot.

Please remember that these have been purchased with money that has already been taxed, VAT and Stamp Duty paid.

Labour is high taxes all the way!!!

Rich people are always in a flap about Inheritance tax

RICH people dont worry about it. They have the means to maximise gift allowances and loopholes.

Its people who havent been able to give a lifetime of school fees, holidays, cars, free rent, house deposits etc, who care most about getting to pass on what they do have to leave behind

McDonnell wants to do away with Inheritance tax and introduce a “lifetime gift tax” totally unworkable who adds up every gift they have given to their Children and Grandchildren? Does it include help whilst at Uni, driving lessons, holidays?

See if you're RICH. Just buy a house but keep it in your name, let your kids live in it rent free as caretaker while they save all they earn. That is not a "gift"

The working and middle class cant do that. But they might be able to scrimp together a small lump sum to help their kids towards a deposit. And THAT'LL be counted as a gift.

The RICH'll be FINE under labour...

But funny how Tory cock-ups always make sure it's the poorest who suffer!!

When service provision fails under any government, the most vulnerable are hit worst. Regardless of whose fuck up it is!

Have a friend who worked for BUPA during labours last disasterous "go" at running the NHS. Business BOOMED. Those who could jump ship did. And the most vulnerable was left to negotiate a chaotic service with money thrown in all the wrong directions.

Not until he’ll freezes over......

notanan2 exactly those of us who have been fortunate in business and have been able to buy our own home and pay our taxes will be “screwed” by Labour!!!

Hell!!

Last election all Labour's spending was costed, unlike others

Blaming Labour because BUPA boomed is unbelievable. The 'boom' probably began when there were the great long waiting lists Labour inherited from the Tories. The NHS was in a mess- just like today.

There are some on GN who think Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread? but most have come to their senses about him over the last two years.Thankfully.

The best thing about Labour is a return to socialist principles and ideals doesn't matter who the leader is.

Trisher, I agree with you totally. I will not be voting for a leader but for the policies of that party. I like the labour policies. To me they are policies that care about society.

I worked in the NHS when James Callaghan was prime minister, the money wasted was appalling!!!

And the worst thing about Labour is the cost of their principles and ideas, and who actually pays for it! The rich can either afford it or leave the country, the poor don't pay and yet again it's middle income families, the man in the street, who is expected to stump up. The economy will NEVER be safe with Corbyn et al, and everything else hinges on that - failed economy, failed country.

Opal, I think you need to look at how much the conservatives have spent compared compared with past labour governments. I think you will find Labour have been much cheaper.