Considering voting Labour?

And the worst thing about Labour is the cost of their principles and ideas, and who actually pays for it!

The rich will not leave. We hear this so often and it doesn't happen. Even when a book is printed costing out what Labour intends you don't want to read it, understand or have any knowledge of it. This is blind prejudice, not a reasoned argument.

Opal Quote [ The worst thing about Labour is the cost of their principles and ideas, and who actually pays for it!] End Quote.

Opal, the Tory Party have after nine years of austerity which did nothing to reduce the national debt our even the deficit have now put forward a huge spending program. That program is completely uncosted with Johnson pulling the budget from parliament before it is to be dissolved therefore allowing no debate on the issue. So Opal, who do you think will be paying for that spending spree.

There were a number of forum members discussing how Gig Economy self-employed workers should save twenty percent of their very unstable and meagre income each week. Perhaps they also believe that a tax on those savings will pay for the Tory spending plans.

There are also those on this forum who believed that Johnson was the best thing since sliced bread, but many are now coming to their senses and realising that he is a liar, a womaniser with no real grip on validity whatsoever.

Notanan2 Ever since Capital Transfer Tax was introduced (now Inheritance Tax) was introduced it has been necessary to keep a record of transfers of capital. Transfers from income are exempt and there are various other exemptions such as gifts on marriage.

If you buy a second house and keep it in your name, I agree, it is not a gift of capital but it will be subject to IHT as part of your estate.

Regular gifts out of income, such as giving your GC an allowance are exempt. Gifts of capital made, provided you survive more than 7 years are also exempt.

The trick is deciding when to start to give away your assets and how much to keep for your own future needs, should you require residential care when older.

The country needs to increase taxation in some form or other. Is it better that income tax is increased which would be a burden for the living, especially the young who are trying to save in order to buy a house, start a family or perhaps start a business? Or is it better that the deceased's estate bears the burden?

I can answer that hypothetical question for myself. I am 100% of the opinion that it is better for the dead to pay tax than the living.

Even if the rich do leave, so what? Does it really matter if they live abroad?

Either they already have their wealth stashed abroad or it's here in the UK and they'll find it difficult to take it with them.

It's classic scaremongering.

Most of the super wealthy like Dyson, Lewis Hamilton etc live abroad anyway, or have accountants helping them avoid paying tax. All those multi million properties in London are owned by Russians, Chinese etc anyway - shouldn’t we have a tax on them?

I haven't read all of these posts (too many).

Whitewave So Labour promises to 'Negotiate a new deal within 3 months' - and then NOT VOTE FOR IT!

How bizarre is that? I feel as if I'm going mad!

If Labour get in, we are all stuffed!

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Lyndiloo, in regard to your above post, many feel that they individually have been stuffed under this ERG/Tory government along with this nation as a whole.

A report out today states that due to many finding problems in Benefit payments, families living on fifty pounds per week are being referred to food banks.

That is Tory Briain today.

Along with the above, we have this whole Brexit mess entirely created in an attempt to solve internal problems with the right wing in the Tory Party.

In that, the ERG/Tory party have stuffed this whole nation.

Link to the families living on fifty pounds per week can be found here:-

aboutmanchester.co.uk/uk-households-using-food-banks-are-living-on-just-50-a-week-report-finds/

We are stuffed with a Tory government, so what’s new?

Lyndiloo it would be good, if on Gransnet at least, we could try and stick to the truth over this this election.

That being the case could you please reference where there has been an official Labour announcement that the party will vote against the renegotiated deal.

It is my purely personal view - not to be quoted as LP policy - that the vote, which would be secret, would be for each according to their conscience, hopefully for a final say on leaving or remaining.

It is noticeable that there is still no cohesive view in the country as to what actually constitutes "leave".

Lyndyloo From what I have seen of the Labour promises
About Brexit, they have no idea about what to do!
Keir Starmer says another deal will ‘be easy’ ( yes, right!) and Tom Watson wants us to have another referendum, and somebody else wants this thing and some want to revoke article 50.They won’t even say what they will do ( what they would campaign for) with another referendum, so your guess is as good as mine what they would do.They say they will tell us ( how good of them) after the election if they get into power!!!

lemon you are beginning to follow your leader and tell porkies.

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No porkies from me, I just saw a clip with Starmer saying how easy a deal would be, and quick apparently!
I have also heard individual LP MP’s saying what they would like.
And.......they said just the other day, that they won’t say which way they campaign ( in a new referendum) until they are in power.So, they may negotiate another deal and then in a referendum, campaign to Remain.
So WWM2 before you accuse me of lying I suggest you check your own facts.

What facts are they?

Hopefully Labour won’t get into power so we won’t need to worry about what they will or won’t do.

hopefully Tories won't either, as we more or less know what they will do

Starmer has been all over breakfast news channels "3 months to negotiate a better deal will be easy" and "a referendum within 6 months", but no actual "facts"!!!!

What I find horrifying is that we could end up with Diane Abbot as Home Secretary!!!!!!

I watched Nicola Sturgeon on GMB and she didn't seem capable of grasping that if the UK leave the EU with no customs alinement and consequently Scotland votes for independence and "re-joins" the EU that there would have to be a hard border between U.K. and Scotland.

Sturgeon is blinded by her own ambition GG13 and doesn’t see what being out of the Union would really do to Scotland.

I find it horrifying that Jacob Reece Mogg could be Home Secretary if the Tories are returned to government.

Those now trying to live on food banks and fifty pounds per week will probably find themselves living on even less. Or, will the Tories through the likes of Reece Mogg decide it is more benevolent to reopen the Work Houses?

lemongrove we were in Edinburgh a few weeks ago and used taxis at least twice sometimes four times a day, not one of them supported Sturgeon or independance.

Ah well, there you go then.

That’s good GG13 ......I guess the Scots Nats just shout the loudest.

Yes I am sure that Edinburgh taxi drivers inform everyone who gets in their cab exactly what their political views are.

A certain way to ensure you receive no tips I would have thought. ??

They were all delightful, and on hearing our "softie southern accents" initiated Brexit & Boris conversations. Not at all arbitrary, extremely informative and proud of Edinburgh Grandad1943 we were just two happy chatty couples who enjoy interacting with "the natives"

Sturgeon is blinded by her own ambition GG13 and doesn’t see what being out of the Union would really do to Scotland.

And what would it do, lemon? Let's have some evidence here.