Considering voting Tory?

I intend to vote for Boris because the last thing I want for my country is a Marxist and Trotskyite ie Jeremy Corbin and John McDonnell. And it is John McDonnell who is the power behind the throne.

Who spun you that line. Jackass Johnson the louche liar?

Probably his supporters in the Daily Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun. He does get a lot of help from the billionaire tax exiles who own most of our national newspapers.

I couldn't believe this was true - but sadly, it was.

Surely, surely - if there is a single bit of fairness someone like him will never become PM

According to the ever tolerant GGM3....anyone voting for the Conservatives is ‘the scum of the earth’!!
Post at 15.24.09

A new low for GN.Though not surprising.

Only people who don't like disabled/poor/Libraries/the NHS/education for all/ people vote Tory."

I vote Tory and I sympathise with the genuinely disabled and the poor, and fully support that their benefits should provide them with an adequate standard of living and social care. I occasionally use the library, I fundamentally support the NHS and its values, I believe in good quality education for all. What I don't like are lazy scammers who claim to be disabled and claim benefits, and are in fact perfectly fit to work. What I don't| like are scammers who claim to be poor and unable to feed their kids, but find money for cigarettes and drugs. What I don't like are young mothers who are not in a stable relationship who have babies simply to get a council flat and benefits. And please don't deny they are out there, there was one on our local TV news channel this week, having just had her SIXTH child, and no father on the scene. My son and his wife are having their second child, they are not planning any more as they don't believe they will be able to afford it. He works full-time, pays all his taxes, is paying off a student loan, has a mortgage, his wife works 25 hours per week, they have to pay for child care for two days per week for their little boy. Their taxes equate to what the above mother receives in benefits. Now tell me that that is fair - that my son and his wife have done everything in a sensible and responsible way, have paid their own way, have never claimed anything except child benefit, pay all their bills, pay all their taxes without help, and yet all of these bloody do-gooders think that they should also pay to support a woman who has never worked a day, been pretty much constantly pregnant since the age of 16, and expects the State to keep her and her kids. On what planet is that fair??? If it wasn't for tax payers like my family, there wouldn't be a bloody welfare state!
But according to GGMK3, I and people like me are "scum of the earth". Wonder if you'd say that to my face GGMK3 or do you just insult people from a distance?

opal

What would you do then, to the mother who is constantly pregnant?

WWMK2 what would you suggest?

Reinstate Sure Start Centres and fund them properly.

Her children would undoubtedly benefit from decent nursery care and pre-school learning. Mother would be given the opportunity to learn parenting skills like good nutrition, parenting a child, together with the education on limiting your family etc.

But at the very least those children being brought up in poverty would be given the opportunity to eat nutritious meals during the day and pre-school learning which would place them in a good place on entering primary years.

Now gg13 what would you do?

Opal, in regard to your post @23:50 yesterday, What a nonsensical Rant!

As I have said previously there was nothing wrong with the Surestart centres.

Educate children in senior school about contraception and the fact that a baby is yours for life and it brings responsibilities both for Mother and Father.

Basically bringing numerous children into this world which you are unable to afford or ill equipped to rear is not a very good lifestyle choice in 2019.

Except that they will not exist under a Johnson government.

So gg13 what would you do?

GGMK3, what is the source of those quoted words of Johnson's, please? I'd like to follow it up.

WWMK2 said: Surely, surely - if there is a single bit of fairness someone like him will never become PM

Um... haven't you noticed? Someone very like him is the PM.

baggs???

opal What about somebody who has done everything in a sensible and responsible way, but is hit by circumstances beyond his or her control? Somebody who has always paid taxes and never wasted money on alcohol and cigarettes? I know somebody like that very well. Do you think it's fair that a person like that should have to live on inadequate benefits?

Baggs The source of the quote:

www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-said-britain-poorest-chavs-losers-criminals-addicts-burglars-2019-11?r=US&IR=T

I'll look for the stats when I have time, but it's obviously escaped some posters' attention that teenage pregnancies have been falling for years.

WWMK2 Education is key as stated in my previous post.

growstuff you are correct.

Another fact (again, I'll look up the stats later) … The majority of children in single parent households have a parent in her (usually) 30s, who has been in a stable relationship.

The number of children in families with 3+ children is tiny.

Oops premature post.

The discussion regarding young mothers with multiple children emanates from a post by Opal-

I'd say it to your face, if you said that to me opal.

I noticed that GrannyGravy. People like that could really do with being served a dose of reality.

BTW opal I wouldn't mind betting that I, as an individual, have paid more taxes than you have during your life.

Thanks, growstuff.