Considering voting Tory?

gg13 you are right education is indeed key.

Education starts from birth, which is why Sure Start is so vital.

By the child gets to primary school without this early intervention, it is considered too late.

I had a look at that businessinsider article. As expected, that is not the original source of Johnson's words. There are even inconsistencies between the title BI gives to its article and what it says in the body.

Wes Streeting

Remind me again how some of the poorest in our society are treated if they fail to turn up at the Job Centre?
@BorisJohnson
won’t turn up for his job interview with the nation. Everything about Johnson and his Government reeks of hypocrisy and entitlement.

Quote I have been a conservative voter all my life

Spot on We need real change

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No voting Liberal.

Friends of the earth say Labour has the strongest polices to combat climate change and protect nature.

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@LeeCamp

The consolidation of media ownership means that a few people control most of the news & which movies/TV shows get made.
These monopolies give them the power to control the spectrum of acceptable opinion & none of them want you to think about a world beyond capitalism AND war.

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Come on Tory Bots, where are you? Usually I'm inundated with abuse.
Perhaps you know what I am saying is true and your feeble vitriol minds can't get your heads around it.
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Look at any town centre.
Look at those in doorways wrapped in blankets in the boarded up shops.
Then look at the rich who have doubled their wealth during austerity.
Is this right?
Is this fair?
Is this the country you want?
The British people are better than this.
VOTE LABOUR

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I think Boris is too intelligent to go along with what Trump wants.

A 2:1 from Oxford after that education. I doubt he's as clever as he likes to think. Add that to the fact that Johnson will do what benefits Johnson not what benefits the country so you really cannot be sure can you.

"What about somebody who has done everything in a sensible and responsible way, but is hit by circumstances beyond his or her control? Somebody who has always paid taxes and never wasted money on alcohol and cigarettes?"
If you had bothered to PROPERLY read my post, growstuff, you would see that I said that genuinely poor people should be supported and provided with adequate benefits. My issue is with people that, through their own choice, have never worked, have always claimed benefits and won't help themselves to improve their standard of living. And I think you'll find that's the case with the vast majority of hard-working people in this country. Nothing new there. You are deliberately mis-interpreting my posts, and you know it.

"BTW opal I wouldn't mind betting that I, as an individual, have paid more taxes than you have during your life." I really don't understand 1) why you think this is the case, and 2) how it is relevant to the topic. Or are you saying that those who pay more tax are superior to those who have paid less? Really? OK, let's have that conversation, growstuff.

you would see that I said that genuinely poor people should be supported

But you, with your attitude of deserving and undeserving poor but no knowledge or training, should not be the one to decide Opal

Of course there are deserving and undeserving poor GGMK3, always has been since time immemorial, always will be. I'm not claiming to be the one that should decide, but I AM entitled to my opinion, based on my knowledge and experience of dealing with people from all walks of life during my career.

Even the Archbishop of Canterbury has warned in "a quiet resurgence of the seductive language of 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor"

You have been brainwashed Opal. The reason we have an increasingly uniform system is because it should not be down to one or two people to decide when they could be either themselves, just not in want.

The cruel language used by those who think cruelty will cure poverty has been brought back from Victorian time by the Brexit Tories. With only one thing on their minds - how to make themselves rich no matter who suffers it could be you one day but I am sure you would see yourself as deserving if it was.

I listened to the actual speech in which Johnson said the things that were quoted out of context in the post up thread. What he said is certainly open to a different interpretation from the one apparently dominant on this thread.

You will be shouted down, opal, by people who cannot see things from any perspective but their own. Nuances aren't allowed on this kind of thread. Hey ho.

Those who are unable to work through illness or disability (physical or mental) should of course be able to claim benefits. As should those who have lost their jobs should be able to claim whilst looking for employment.

Benefits should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice, and there are definitely people who have chosen benefits over work.

My parents and my husband's parents both came from very large families and went on to have large families themselves. I think they would have given anything to to have had access to free contraception in those days. There was no safety net of benefits available. We seem to have lost self-respect and there is an attitude of "rights". It's a very sad world.

You will be shouted down, opal, by people who cannot see things from any perspective but their own. Nuances aren't allowed on this kind of thread. Hey ho.

What a selfish explanation both towards "people" and Opal. Opal has one view, shared by others, the "people" you talk about also come from a huge group who share a different view. The only time I have noticed people getting particularly annoyed is if someone expects their 'opinion' to be taken as fact.

Children are now being taught the difference between opinion and fact and how to back a fact with evidence. I wish they would teach some of their grandparents.

You have been brainwashed Opal. No, GGMK3, you simply refuse to accept that anyone who thinks differently to you may have a valid opinion. Cruelty will cure poverty? Don't think I've said that anywhere on any thread - I would never condone "cruelty" to anyone. But I don't call challenging those who deliberately, unjustifiably and dishonestly shirk work and expect to live on benefits "cruel", just reasonable and sensible.

Thanks Baggs, they can try to shout me down, but that's not gonna happen.

Benefits should be a safety net, not a lifestyle choice - Absolutely agree GG13, sums it up in a nutshell.

So why are you so sure they are a lifestyle choice and who are you to decide that Opal? As far as I am aware government figures tell us that very few defraud the benefits system. We are still on the "holier than thou" track, aren't we? I do wonder which bit of the gutter press has persuaded you that the poor are living high on the hog on benefits.

But then, you will never do any research and actually make it your duty to know before you accuse, will you? What we are getting from various posts is just nasty, cruel gossip with not a bit of research to back it up.

GGMK3 I know of at least 3 families who have made the choice to live of benefits, not gossip, fact.

I'm the daughter of Holocaust survivors from Nazi Germany and also a Tory councillor.

I, and many of my Jewish residents, are petrified at the thought of the current Labour leader going anywhere near No 10. Their actions belie their public narrative.

I've been canvassing solidly for the last 5 weeks and many previous Labour voters are lending us their vote. Many Asian voters are also incensed over Labour's stance on Kashmir and are coming over.

I actually feel sorry for these decent Labour party voters who don't recognise the current party. The libDems are probably closer to what the Labour party was before Corbyn and his stormtroopers took over, deselecting perfectly decent MPs and councillors.

I think it is considered cruel to let people starve Opal even if you don't go round saying "I would rather let people starve than allow one person get a penny more in benefit than I consider them to deserve."

I wish I could write like this. It is exactly what I think about a Decade of despicable Tories.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjUWX6S8iYU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1LaEMBuxulrmMXZb12okV2p3Fq8OU0kEFP_IiMOMHN1YR7fpTNQMOJVNA

Anyone rather than Comrade Corbyn.