Considering voting Tory?

P.s. NHS business plans take MONTHS. Anything that is getting new funding over the next few weeks probably began to be written at the beginning of the year and approved at the end of the summer.

And was it labour who changed it back to in-house? No it wasn't! Last time labour had the reins they did not undo those contracts, they just wasted money left right and centre.

I didn't say that Labour did change it back to in-house, notanan. I said that it was not Labour who initiated contracted out hotel services. Which is what you seemed to be implying.

And we do know that in many respects the Blair government was just Tory-Lite.

I'd be interested to know if the resumption of in-house cleaning was because of a national initiative or a decision by an individual Trust? If the latter the tories can take no credit for it.

Joelsnan I agree NHS is a huge buyer in the market and procurement regulations do require competitive tenders to get best value. Supplier chain management is key to enable our nurses and doctors to deliver the care. You need professional people to manage these business aspects of running the NHS to ensure that money isn't wasted and detract finance from front line staff. Public sector isn't great on drawing up clear specifications based on what is needed rather than what x thinks is wanted. Nor are they great at managing supply chains so investment is needed behind the scenes to improve these aspects. It's very easy to put NHS on a quasi religious pedestal but fundamentally unpalatable as it is also a huge business.

^ You need professional people to manage these business aspects of running the NHS to ensure that money isn't wasted and detract finance from front line staff.^

As I recollect from all those years ago our hospital administrators were highly trained and, with the formation of Area Health Authorities in place of the old hospital boards, our AHA, at least, initiated competitive tendering for Area contracts for supply of at least the hotel services side. It's not exactly a new concept or an unknown one pre privatisation of services.

I don't know about the arrangements for medical supplies but I do recall our storekeeper being very frustrated by consultants insisting on differing pieces of equipment for doing essentially the same job... He thought it very wasteful. I wonder if they can still do this?

I didn't say that Labour did change it back to in-house, notanan. I said that it was not Labour who initiated contracted out hotel services. Which is what you seemed to be implying.

I wasnt implying that. I was disagreing with the labour = NHS safe hands rhetoric. They threw money at wasteful non evidence based initiatives and handed back an NHS that LOOKED unsustainable because they had been so recklessly wasteful with it when they last had the reins. They PRIMED it for more privitisation by running it into the ground.

Tony Blair was privatising parts of the NHS years ago. I recall taking my neighbour to a lovely private hospital for a cataracts operation there. On the NHS.

Also, under Labour, our local hospital lost its Children's/Maternity facility.

Leaving local families having to travel 10 miles. Not even in the same county

Not great when you're having contractions and have to get yourself to hospital

UK economy shrinks for the first time since 2012

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49290926

How can a shrinking economy threatened by brexit damage possibly afford the Tory's election promises?

Hard for families in the gig economy

t.co/PGQ7SfBUuT

We have to hope that the NHS will not fall into Labour’s hands as the outcome can only be imagined too well!
They were always ones for throwing money at things whilst
Not making sure we were getting value for money at the same time.

Margot James.

Another Tory who can’t stomach what is happening to the Tory party.

She’s leaving

Ken Loaches take on zero hours contract.

www.bigissue.com/culture/film-tv-radio/review-ken-loachs-sorry-we-missed-you-shows-reality-of-austerity-britain/

GG13 - apparently Thatcher wanted to sell off the NHS but her advisers were horrified and advised her against it. Today's government is very different to previous Tory governments.

Disraeli coined the phrase "One Nation Tory" in order to appeal to working class people. As a political philosophy it was paternalistic rather than capitalistic and this lasted until the end of the 19thC when the Tories moved towards free market capitalism. However, in the early part of the 20thC, fearing extremists, there was a revival of One Nation Toryism. This thinking influenced the Tories tolerance of the welfare state and the NHS and lasted until Thatcher. It is for this reason that Tory governments didn't try to sell off the NHS and they probably never even thought about it.

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As a paramedic all I see is suffering. The a and e waits and closures are true. The poor people with mental health have no where to go. Suicide has risen hugely. But what really hurts me is going to kids in the UK malnourished.

Ben
@BenJolly9
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14 million people in poverty while the top 1% have increased their wealth by 183%.

Maya Goodfellow nails the real situation we're in right now.

twitter.com/BenJolly9/status/1191140273440665600?s=20

We have to hope that the NHS will not fall into Labour’s hands as the outcome can only be imagined too well

That is not an argument lemongrove. It is simply prejudice.

No one requires any imagination to see what has happened.to the NHS under nine years of Tory rule.

Result of survey has been buried by Murdoch

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/sunday-times-buries-peoples-vote-poll-after-the-result-doesnt-go-the-way-they-hoped/29/10/amp/?fbclid=IwAR0NKqrQzFloXt2-X6jM0ajPa9B3pRj1yrKqwqRvJcvc_5bLaSRQ90tbKY4&__twitter_impression=true

This is how the gig economy has always worked.

One would hope that we had moved on.

theconversation.com/search/result?sg=1ebadde3-b29a-4cb9-990b-28e614a6e6bf&sp=1&sr=2&url=%2Fthe-gig-economy-is-nothing-new-it-was-standard-practice-in-the-18th-century-81057

Ken Loach. Good chap I always think. He did us proud in the olympics

theconversation.com/search/result?sg=1ebadde3-b29a-4cb9-990b-28e614a6e6bf&sp=1&sr=1&url=%2Fken-loachs-new-film-on-the-gig-economy-tells-exactly-the-same-story-as-our-research-125743

roger
@r0g3rd4y
Good morning
@michaelgove
how are you?

I hear you may be facing questioning from the police about funds that were "resting in your account."

I truly hope that you will be able to stand up in court and prove that these calumnies are mere falsehoods.

Thoughts are with you.

Is there anyone more obnoxious than Gove?

Baroness Warsi has him in her sights, maintaining that he is lying (more lies, do they ever stop?) about anti-semitism and Labour, also that his rhetoric is anti-Islamic.

Housing

Victoria Derbyshire
@vicderbyshire
A government plan to create 200,000 new homes for first-time buyers has resulted in no homes being built - so says the National Audit Office.

Well said notanan2 ??????

There have been many ‘Winter Crises’ in our hospitals over a great many years owing to an ageing population mainly.
Hospitals do what they can to cope with this due to good planning whichever political party is in power.

Housing

Femi
@Femi_Sorry
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MATHS TEST:
If David Cameron's manifesto promised 200000 starter homes and none of 200,000 are built...
And Boris Johnson's manifesto promises 40 hospitals will be built...
How long should it take you to stop trusting Tory promises?
"national audit office"