Considering voting Tory?

tooting clearly the NHS is safe in Tory hands???

I think that’s the message for this week anyway

Under labour the cleaners were contracted in from a private company. They were only ALLOWED to clean the toilets at their set contracted times no matter how bad they got. If their contract said check them at 2 and 6 that was ALL they were contractually allowed to do as an outside firm. Doctors and nurses had to clean them when they got really bad. Now, the cleaners are on the staff, part of the team and can come in between their cleaning rounds if something needs an extra going over.
Cleanliness was SHOCKING then but has improved 10 fold.

Not so sure that labour really are the anti private contract safe pair of hands they claim to be...... not in PRACTICE anyway...

^ at my local hospital

WWM2 .....and your message for this week is ‘Jeremy had a good day today, vote Labour!’ ?

lemon you are doing what you have done in the past and were warned off from doing

You are following me around.

Can I request you stop now?

trisher did say the other week that social media would be filled with messages of shock and awe the like of which we have never seen from socialist sources.....but you started earlier than I expected WWM2 ?

What are you talking about? I am responding to threads that you started, and not just responding to your comments, but others as well.
Warned off from doing?
You must expect comments that don’t agree with yours on here and other political threads.

lemon by all means join in the debate.

I certainly will.....but time for another episode of Giri Haji right now.

Oh please WWM2 your 2 threads are clearly intented to be connected. You are not being followed around the boards by lemongrove. Its pretty much the same conversation which you have for some reason split into two threads. Lemongrove isnt following you onto a thread about pets or travel to bring uo things you said in politics, I would say lemongroves posts here have remained on topic!

Clive Peedell
@cpeedell

As a NHS cancer specialist, it’s my #publicduty to inform the public that the #NHS cannot withstand another five years of the Tories. We are at breaking point.
So are teachers, social workers, the police, prison officers, carers....
#generalelection2019

I'm not say that the NHS is safe in Conservative hands necessarily, just giving a picture of my recent experiences and that despite the rhetoric you read in the papers and on the Twitterati in some areas significant improvements gave Bern made. Yes I agree that inner cities have problems of access to GPs landing waiting lists and this needs to improve but there are lessons to be learned by all parties from those health authorities who are getting it right. Some hospitals are just too big. Where I live we have a main hospital 15 miles away and local small 30 bed hospitals which deal with minor injuries, give treatment, give physio or cancer treatment. It seems to work. Getting immigration levels balanced is important for planning health care and infrastructure and staffing the NHS. I think as population rise before the necessary infrastructure is in place. Mental health is still a Cinderella illness and that needs to be addressed as well as time wasters and NHS tourists. There has to be some reality on what the NHS can and cannot do too. 70 years ago life was simpler and NHS did marvels in improving the nations health. It is without doubt one of Labours greatest innovations and UKs greatest assets but it will involve difficult decisions throwing money at it and building new hospitals is not enough. Education and prevention is key so people adopt better health habits. Recruitment of nurses is key. Years ago you could become a SRN nurse with 5 o levels now you need a degree. It's not a career for everyone but when I was a lass it was a career that was actively encouraged, I'm not sure that is the case now.

WWW2 where is your evidence that the NHS will be sold off and privatised, you are entitled to your opinion but on what is it based. If you are going to make sweeping statements back it up with facts rather than mantra and headlines

Under labour the cleaners were contracted in from a private company. They were only ALLOWED to clean the toilets at their set contracted times no matter how bad they got.

Would you clarify some dates here please, notanan.
'Hotel services' in hospitals were privatised during the Thatcher government. I might be getting a bit old and forgetful but I am pretty sure that Thatcher ran a tory government.

I worked in an NHS 'hotel service' until 1979 (when Thatcher came to power) and watched the subsequent 'privatisation' of those services with much disquiet.

I get the feeling that maybe you weren't employed in the NHS pre 1979. Because I can assure you that hospital cleaning became 'SHOCKING' under the tories post 1979. Whatever happened under the 1abour government nearly 2 decades later was an inheritance from the tories.

I must say that I'm glad to hear that cleaning has gone back 'in house', as it was pre Thatcher. I never worked in a hospital that was less than immaculate...

Do keep going with your 'the NHS is perfect under the tories' posts, though. They're very amusing...

maizie this is all of a piece. Johnson visits hospitals, New poster comes on writing reems about NHS.

Next week it will be the next subject put out by Tory HQ

Here’s a few notes on their leader

t.co/Re17a7VmYY

Strange how Johnson has chosen to visit several hospitals and has tried to keep the media out. A couple of days ago he was booed off the premises by staff and patients at Addenbrookes , they tried to remove the footage from Twitter. If the Tories are so popular in the NHS one wonders why that it is the case that he seems to get such a negative reaction.

Here's an interesting graphic. Compiled using Yougov statistics. 'Leftwing' views held by people who consider themselves to be 'right wing'.

I seem to recall posting a video before the last GE. People interviewed in the street who agreed with many 'left wing' policies. The tory voters among them were amazed when told they were from the Labour manifesto but said they would still vote tory! How people think that voting tory will bring about changes that the tories don't have any intention of making I just don't know. But there you are. Many people just aren't rational...

They are panicking over a winter crises. Watch them put in resources that in other years they apparently don’t have.

Don’t take us for fools Johnson.

WWM2 are you referring to me again in your post. If so can I just reiterate that I am not a Conservative activist or even a member. I joined the post because I enjoy political debate and am struggling to decide who to vote for in this election. Please refrain from making broad assumptions based on limited knowledge.

Tooting29

Here is proof our NHS is being privatised.

Bob Gill
@drbobgill
Doctor, NHS campaigner. Producing
@greatnhsheist
crowdfunded documentary
thegreatnhsheist.com
Kentgofundme.com/thegreatnhshei…Joined July 2013

thegreatnhsheist.com

And this
About privatising our NHS

twitter.com/drbobgill/status/1043870221067603969?s=20

I am glad to be distracted from these posts at the moment but have just had the time to read through this one.

There is not a single reason mentioned for voting for the Brexit Bullies in it as far as I can see. Vote Tory - why on earth would anyone one of at least average intelligence do that after going through the last nearly ten years if their chaos.

It would be good to see the reasons why rather than reasons why you shouldn't vote elsewhere. Just one positive reason that doesn't mention another party or member of another party or is it that you actually want more of the same?

Thank you for the links which I have read. I am not sure this is evidence of a sell off but rather a campaign to raise money to make a film to document the evidence. If the evidence is there publish it, talk to journalists and out bad practices. Whilst I would agree that NHS is not a commercial business, behind the scenes there will be business transactions and accountability for use of public sector monies. Drugs need to be bought, beds, sheets, surgical equipment, sterilization, pens paper IT Systems all need to be bought and this requires some commercial nous which I admit will jar with the service ethos. I would be nervous of striking deals with the US for supplies, because I do not believe US gave same stringent laws on standards and ethics. The ongoing inquiry into blood scandal from 70s and 80s is a case in point.

I won’t vote conservative, in fact I don't know who to vote for.

However reading these posts I have to wonder why there is so much talk of Tory inflicted austerity. Does anyone know why the austerity was enacted. I have my own opinions but don't know if I am right.

Does anyone know why Labour does not mention PFI’s? And how they will realistically pay for their utopian promises.

Why does no one mention the EU procurement directive that requires government entities with contracts over a certain amount to open the bidding to the whole of the EU and any countries that have trade deals with EU (US for one) and this is why NHS and other services are already well privatised. The NHS buying power is massive so many contracts have to be open bidded.

I get the feeling that maybe you weren't employed in the NHS pre 1979. Because I can assure you that hospital cleaning became 'SHOCKING' under the tories post 1979. Whatever happened under the 1abour government nearly 2 decades later was an inheritance from the tories.
And was it labour who changed it back to in-house? No it wasn't! Last time labour had the reins they did not undo those contracts, they just wasted money left right and centre.

I must say that I'm glad to hear that cleaning has gone back 'in house', as it was pre Thatcher. I never worked in a hospital that was less than immaculate... as above, it wasnt changed back under labour

Do keep going with your 'the NHS is perfect under the tories' posts, though. They're very amusing...
Guess what? Not liking labour doesnt mean you <3 the Tories!
"But but look over there at what the Tories done" to deflect from what labour did is a weak retort.

They are panicking over a winter crises. Watch them put in resources that in other years they apparently don’t have.
Don’t take us for fools Johnson.
This year's wonter pressure planning has been worked on all year! The winter pressure wards popping up over the next few weeks have been earmarked for months, planned for for months, recruited for long before the GA was announced, and will ne the result of a lot of hard work from your local hospital management and staff! Please dont dismiss their hard work and planning as a gimmick! The new winter pressures unit opening this month at my local hospital is as a result of the following:
- A WHOLE new "flow" system which has been building up over the last 3 years. Wards have adapted new flow systems, ward sisters have been moved about. New paperwork and apps (which takes months/years to go through approval). A change in how pharmacy works
- Analysis of what went right and wrong with last winter's winter pressure plan. This was very indept and happened last spring and resulted in my next point
- A new winter pressure ward. Meaning that during the summer ward staff were moved and redistributed. The pre-existing wards were totally re-planned to make the space. Estates were in the refurb the ward. New ward management then ward staff were recruited.

So whatever your politics, please appreciate how much work went into your local winter pressure plan. From your local staff. NONE of it will have just "popped up"