Mogg

Perhaps he does engage his brain, and what he says are the least bad.

It was on top of what he said about that doctor which everyone seems to have forgotten about. Should he not have learned his lesson about engaging his brain before opening his mouth? I mean, this is an experienced politician. Lets also not forget what has happened to Nazanin Radcliffe because of Johnson's 'gaffe' also.

Kuenssberg described it as a gaffe..

Tom London

It was not a “terrible gaffe”

It was an ill-informed, crass, profoundly heartless & cruel, piece of victim-blaming

It was not a mere “terrible gaffe”

A sickening number of people seem to have fallen for the Tory party/right wing press story that somehow, this tragedy was the fault of the residents/fire service anyone but the bloody people who approved the cladding, who ignored the many complaints from Residents Association about fire hazards, faulty fire doors etc. Your comment JE is beyond belief; Rees-Mogg is what he is, an unfeeling, uncomprehending sh*t, but those of you who excuse his behaviour, or accuse the rest of us of some sort of 'class envy' need to have a good look at yourselves.

I agree Gone - I think it’s very easy to say what you would or wouldn’t have done, but when you’re responsible for your family’s safety in horrific, terrifying circumstances I couldn’t say for certain what I’d have done. I would like to think that a senior member of the Govt wouldn’t question my common sense afterwards if I did the ‘wrong’ thing though.

You can't really know what you would have done. I may have been too afraid to go against the experts' instructions.

The fire service got it hideously wrong.

Of course with hindsight we can be 100 per cent sure of making the right decision

I agree EV.

So much class envy is evident on here.

Whatever do you mean by this? Rees-Mogg's comments would have been equally despicable regardless of his class. I have seen no-one but you mention class, and I am baffled by your use of 'envy'.

Nobody would have told me to stay put, no matter who, so both Mogg and the fire service were wrong in what they said.

and/at

Please don't tell me what I think. I thought " that's terrible"

Then I thought " I can't cope with knowing the heart wrenching details"

Then I thought " My God, how could anybody see fit to use this as some sort of comedy and a family party?"

Then I thought " Did he really say that"

Yes the fire was a terrible tragedy we all know that but he was just expressing what a lot of us thought

Which was the wrong thing to do. A man in his position shouldn't express such thoughts - he should have the foresight and intelligence to realise how inappropriate that was.

So there we are Jennifer- you have sunk to his level, and it does not look good. As for class, I have no idea of your background, so it is irrelevant. Shame on you.

Because it's unkind, it's unfeeling, and shows a total lack of empathy or respect for the families.
No surprise there, though.

So there we are. It seems JRM WAS correct in what he said, so why is there so much bitter animosity about him on here?

Yes the fire was a terrible tragedy we all know that but he was just expressing what a lot of us thought.

DH has travelled a lot during his working life and he has always said, ignore any advice to stay put, get up and get out, mainly he is talking on airlines, but a few years a go we read a very interesting book that says you should alwaya do this, get moving and get out. Obviously sometimes this will be a bad idea and there will be fatal results, but compared with the lives it will save, the deaths will be few.

All of the big buildings I have worked in (residential homes, offices, multi storey places) have had a 'stay put' policy due to having fire doors, which we are assured can take up to 2 hours (I think) to burn through.

Most fire services in the uk were advising Get Out, Stay Out and Call us Out (999) - when and why did it change?

So much class envy is evident on here

Not from me, I couldn't care less. Something rings in my ears I read " Thousands of people would be happy to have what you have right now"

I try to remember this.

I don't know if you are familiar with the fight/flight/freeze response?

Absolutely none of us has a clue how we would have responded.

I suppose if a lot of the residents of Grenfell had decided to leave their flats and many had died because of the crush on the stairs JRM would now be berating them for not doing what the Fire brigade said. He should bear in mind the old adage- "Never speak ill of the dead". Particularly when the leader of the political party you support was responsible for the huge cuts to funding for the LFB that meant they didn't even have the equipment to deal with a fire in a tower block. Here's Boris telling the London Assembly questioning his cuts to "Get Stuffed". www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=39&v=UN3e-aYUusc

I have absolutely no idea what I would have done in that situation, as does nobody unless they were in it.

It's disgusting what Mogg said.
Class? He has none.

The common sense thing to do in such cases is to keep your silly mouth shut, Mr Mogg.

He has probably never even been in a high rise flat but no excuse or apology is acceptable in my eyes. He is a disgrace. I can’t stand his arrogance or his total air of entitlement.

oh FFS jeniffer