Mogg

What we should be enraged about

We should be enraged about both the dangerous cladding and Mr Mogg’s behaviour - the 2 are not mutually exclusive

I can be enraged about multiple things all at once.
I'm not enraged about Mogg though, just saddened that anyone could be so insensitive.

Yes, I don't feel rage., I'm too weary. Just sad.

I feel a combination of lots of emotions - rage, disgust, overwhelming sadness, horror, frustration...the list is endless. The one thing I don’t feel is the need to say anything about ‘common sense’.

Wouldn't it be just great if, some time in the wee small hours of 13th December, we had a "Portillo moment" starring Jacob Rees Mogg?

It must cut those who have lost family members like a knife to hear comments about common sense, and what others would have done and blah blah blah.. I absolutely know it must.

It gets worse.

The Tories just don’t get it do they?

Jenni Russell

Wow, the MP Andrew Bridgen just making Rees Mogg Grenfell remarks worse; defends him by saying he’s a very clever authority figure who would not personally have accepted the advice to stay in a building on fire. Says Grenfell residents not authority, leadership figures. Appalling

Nabil Choucair

His mother, his sister, his brother-in-law and his three young nieces all died in the blaze

Flyingsolo I think yours was a very good and thoughtful post.

I would never tire of slapping that man!!!

Andrew Bridgen digs deeper, by saying Rees Mogg would have survived because he is 'cleverer'.

So easy to be wise after the event.

I guess being public school/Eton educated and speaking properly is enough for some. Pathetic.

Well you guess wrong about me, then.

I mix with people from all walks of life, and long ago learnt not to judge anyone because of how they speak, or where they went to school.

A heartless git is a heartless git, however, regardless of whether he went to Bash Street Secondary School or Eton College.

Maybe there is less of an excuse for someone with a good education? Maybe they should know better?

Amongst his unsympathetic comments, RM made mention of how 'you and I' would respond, which 'others' the victims, and is potentially a racist remark, or classist, or at best insensitive.

Anyone giving an interview should be much more careful about how they come across, and consider their language and how it might be perceived by various audiences, particularly in such tragic circumstances.

Dad was a senior fire officer when high rise blocks started to be built. He was convinced that if correctly constructed they were among the safest buildings around.

The concrete floors and compartmentalized system only became unsafe when the structure was compromised. It has become clear that 'refurbishment' did just that. Drilling through floors and walls plus inadequate fire doors, criminal lack of maintenance and a single escape staircase were a recipe for disaster. Then add the cladding to 'improve the the view' for the neighbours and the death warrant was signed.

Blame Westminster council. Blame untrustworthy contractors. Blame Johnson. But not the Fire Service and a procedure that has been proved safe elsewhere as long as building regulations are scrupulously maintained. No blame for those who took the advice they were given in good faith.

Under a very thin veneer of civilisation, RM is the lowest of the low.

Perhaps this despicable member of the brexit elite is not as intelligent as some poor folk have been led to believe.

We went on hols to Cape Town with sil and bil. Our apartment was in a block with fabulous views of the ocean, and we had a huge deck with jakuzzi and another balcony, on the 12th and last floor. Bil is a big project architect, and he was terrified and kept saying it was a death trap- and we just laughed at him as we loved the view. It had been recently refurbished - and when we discussed this recently- he said 'do you realise now why'. Yes, we do, now.

I know someone like Rees Mogg, they ‘do logic’, can’t ‘do emotion’

Wonder how many thought the same as him but could ‘do emotion’

Absolutely unbelievable......you defend him Annie?

It is not our place to be thinking what we would have , could have ,should have.

Nobody knows. Being terrified does strange things to a person.

Not defending , you have never wondered what you would have done grapefruit ?

I'm understanding what Anniebach is saying.

I agree he should not have said what he did.

However, I watched the documentary after the event with interviews with relatives. Many had been on the phone to residents, pleading with them to leave.

But they'd been told to stay.

I'm sure these people are wishing they'd been told to evacuate.

Should Jacob Rees Mogg have said it? No, of course not.

But it's out there.

It was in the inquiry.

Staying put was the wrong advice.

But as someone else has said, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Kitty and Ooopsminty, what a shame it isn’t about Mogg the cat, I used to love those books

Will anyone say they have thought or asked a family member - ‘would you have stayed inside’ ,

I have thought about it

Having just heard what Mogg actually did say ( as opposed to the GN Chinese Whispers ) although it would have been better not to say a anything,he certainly did not say that ‘the Grenfell residents lacked common sense’ ! I suggest everybody listens to the whole transcript.

As man in his position should recognise his own shortcomings and if he knows that he can’t ‘do emotion’ (whatever the heck that means) then he should keep his mouth shut - when in doubt say nowt, as the saying goes.

Everybody lemon or just those who haven’t listened to it?