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And next it's Alex Salmond

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Sparklefizz Thu 21-Nov-19 14:42:47

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-50486713

MawB Thu 21-Nov-19 15:14:56

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suziewoozie Thu 21-Nov-19 15:17:23

I have much I want to say but isn’t this sub judice now?

MawB Thu 21-Nov-19 15:20:53

Do I need to delete my reference to kilts? grin 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

suziewoozie Thu 21-Nov-19 15:24:09

I doubt it Maw 😀 it was just that there could easily be a pile on and that would be a bit of a problem .

Jane10 Thu 21-Nov-19 15:35:38

This isn't exactly new news. It's been known about for ages that this trial is coming up.

suziewoozie Thu 21-Nov-19 16:04:11

Yes but the actual details of the charges was only widely known today

Sussexborn Thu 21-Nov-19 16:10:40

Just read his WIKI page. A grim story of back stabbing and greed. It could be turned into a shock tv film though I guess most politicians have similar back stories.

Do these men never put their brains in gear?

lemongrove Thu 21-Nov-19 16:22:43

How are the mighty fallen!
There are ten women involved in this case.

Granny23 Thu 21-Nov-19 16:54:04

i find this a very difficult one, having known Alex and his lovely wife Moira for around 40 years. I have had many a big hug from him with never a hint of anything untoward. I have many female friends who are active in the SNP and had never heard the slightest whiff of any impropriety surrounding him and believe me these are all strong, feminist women who would have called him out for misbehaviour regardless of whether he was just an ordinary member or First Minister.

However my instinct is always to believe the victim of any form of abuse, although my credulity was stretched to the limit when reading the statement from a senior civil servant that AS had 'ordered' her to lie on his bed and wait for him and she did, when she could easily have left with the others.

I also question the timing of the original allegations and the current headlines as it seems more than coincidental that they should appear in the middle of an election. I think we all have to wait and see the outcome of the trial before jumping to any conclusion.

Luckygirl Thu 21-Nov-19 16:59:02

Who knows? - but whatever happens now he will be tarred with the "no smoke without fire" brush.

I was slightly puzzled by the news that he pinned a woman against a wall and took all her clothes off and also his whilst doing so - is that physically feasible?

Urmstongran Thu 21-Nov-19 18:00:14

The timing for the SNP could not be worse.

And for his wife - poor woman - it doesn’t bear thinking what she and her family are going through.

craftyone Thu 21-Nov-19 18:14:48

10 women

Smileless2012 Thu 21-Nov-19 18:19:59

I think the problem with some men Sussexborn is where they keep their brains.

Daddima Thu 21-Nov-19 18:25:37

I too have met him on a number of occasions, and didn’t ever feel uncomfortable. I don’t see all the charges being pursued, maybe like these two -

Sexual assault: Salmond is said to have touched a woman's arms and hips over her clothes at Ego nightclub in Edinburgh in either December 2010 or 2011.

Sexual assault: He allegedly touched a woman's leg over her clothes in a car travelling between Holyrood Road and Waverley Station in Edinburgh on February 9, 2011.

Callistemon Thu 21-Nov-19 18:31:03

MawB that made me feel rather nauseous!

Luckygirl I'm not sure and he doesn't look that fit, although he is quite hefty.
I suppose if he was wearing a kilt it would be easier!

SirChenjin Thu 21-Nov-19 18:35:00

Interesting that the reaction from SNP stalwarts is to suggest that there’s some kind of election related conspiracy.

No credulity should be stretched. Women and men are entitled to change their mind at any point during the sexual proceedings and the other person must respect that. If they don’t then they’ll find themselves in the same position as AS is and rightly so.

Interestingly, I know a fair few people who have spent time in his company and have no problem whatsoever believing that he’s capable of the charges. Their opinion of him were that he’s a very charismatic man with a very high opinion of himself, who surrounds himself by people who admire him greatly and who enjoys his power. However, given the very low rates of successful prosecutions in these types of cases I strongly suspect he’ll be found not guilty or not proven.

EllanVannin Thu 21-Nov-19 18:37:32

Eeeuuww, even the thought.

Why is it that some men think they're God's gift ?

AllotmentLil Thu 21-Nov-19 19:10:56

Like SirChenjin I know people who have worked for AS and found him arrogant, patronising and with very little respect for anybody (all SNP activists) subordinate to him. Remind you of anybody?

Sparklefizz Thu 21-Nov-19 19:23:08

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Fennel Thu 21-Nov-19 19:24:10

Head in the sand? But I don't want to know any more.
Too many of these disgusting stories.

sodapop Thu 21-Nov-19 19:38:47

Seems to be no end to the sleaze in high places at present. It would appear having a public persona gives you the freedom to behave badly. It's a shame we don't hear more about the decent, hard working MPs there must be some.

Jabberwok Fri 22-Nov-19 10:31:43

Innocent until proven guilty seems a hollow aspiration these days. As in all these cases the actual offense always seems to be years old which makes you wonder why on earth weren't complaints made at the time or at least soon afterwards?! I'm no fan of Alex Salmond, but, until there is catagoric proof of wrong doing I will certainly reserve judgement.

Yehbutnobut Fri 22-Nov-19 10:55:56

Luckygirl I agree...the logistics of that confused me too 🙄

grapefruitpip Fri 22-Nov-19 10:58:15

Fennel, I'm with you. There comes a point when it is damaging. When the Saville and Harris news broke , I avoided.