Everything is wrong in this country

Anyone see the human bees glueing themselves to the LibDem battle bus? ?

Lemongrove wasn’t the bus “electric”?

You are quite right varian when you say "It’s looking like Brexit’s gonna happen. Time to get used to it people."

This comes from a poster who told us brexit would happen in March. and in April and in October.

She was wrong three times so lets all hope she is wrong again.

I did say it. Each time!

However THIS TIME it will be achievable because Boris will have a Brexit majority government and Cabinet.

No more ‘meaningful votes’ by Remain voting MP’s
No more Bercow!
No more ‘amendments’ to thwart the Withdrawal Agreement.

Just full steam ahead!

All aboard ... ?

Grow up, Urmstongran! This isn't a party game for toddlers! On second thoughts, having read some comments on here, maybe that really is how some people see it. Wow! They've won! Woopee!

It's a shame they won't have to sort out the mess they've created. They'll leave that to somebody else and then blame them when it all goes wrong.

Any chance of another referendum? Indyref from gammons?

Urmstongran - you sound like the Brexit party is already under way. No-one should count their chickens before they're hatched. We haven't had the election yet.

So far, I've got up to page 7 of this thread.

The next time people complain about "rudeness" and "bullying" - often when a poster merely has the temerity to disagree with them, they should take a look at this thread and the comments made about whitewave

I rarely agree with threads that complain of "bullying" - disagreeing with someone and saying why you disagree isn't bullying - but personal attacks are. Some examples:

"What on earth are you going to do with your time after the General Election is over Whitewave?"

"... bleating on about the wicked government>."

"I feel for you. Is there any joy in your life whatsoever?"

"What a sad person she sounds" (speaking to another poster of like mind about Whitewave)

"You may find it hard to try to find one good thing that happened to you during the day..."

"You are a negative, moaning empty glass type ...."

"Pleeese - get a life"

"You are a depressing person. Your face must be so long your chin is touching the ground ha ha ha ...."

"So relieved you are not my next door neighbour ...."

"this poster has certainly been brain washed".

Then *whitewave" is accused of being some sort of paid Labour propagandist because she refuses to respond in kind to these insults. Well done to her I say (unless she finally loses her cool, which I think would be quite understandable in the circumstances - I haven't read the whole thread yet. If she truly were a paid lobbyist for Labour, I feel quite sure she would be a great deal more subtle about it. She and some others (including me) have openly expressed their disgust with Conservative policies and their support of Labour. There are posters on these political threads who pose as "neutral bystanders", supposedly indifferent to all parties, but who consistently applaud this government and criticise its opponents. These are the people who are more likely to be lobbyists.

Your determination to insult a poster rather than address the points she has raised says more about you than it does about her.

Well Said Eloethan

Thanks (again) Eloethan.
I'm being somewhat reassured when I listen to radio phone ins, or audience panel debates like Any Questions, that the majority in this country remain 'liberal' in their approach to the key social issues facing us. That doesn't seem to be reflected on many political threads on gransnet currently. This need to deny that life is very tough for those on the margins, as well as for the so called working poor, is a mystery to me.
Whitewave's list has led to her being attacked, accused of being depressed, miserable etc. What's so difficult in accepting in fact, her list is an accurate reflection of where we're at?

Eloethan's post prompted me to read the whole thread. Thank you for writing what you did Eloethan. I hope the posts aren't deleted because it's important that right-minded posters should see what some others are like.

Iam64 The difficulty for some people is that if they accept the facts, they have to own up to being partially responsible for them.

Since when is " depressed" an acceptable insult to throw at somebody because they worry about hungry children?

All this "all aboard for Brexit" is a childish jibe - the country is divided- it wont be all aboard for anything other than years of misery and more poverty - sorry Im not on board and neither are millions of others- keep your dismal Brexit festivals and 50ps - which have already cost £ms, you can party with the union jack waving thugs who are on your side. Enjoy.

People looked forward to boarding the "unsinkable" Titanic. Let's hope climbing aboard the good ship Brexit doesn't reveal the same misplaced confidence.

Johnson did say that Brexit was going to be a Titanic success...

Thank you Eloethan

Thank you for all your support lovely people? particularly eleothan of whom I stand in awe.

I did start to post about the poor and comparing attitudes in 1834 to those prevailing today but it began to take on a life of its own so I zapped it?

But it is quite a sobering thing to do.

Yes, thank you Eloethan - I was thinking of making a list of those insults- but just could not be 'asked' ...

1834 Poor Law Reform Act was part of my 'special subject' for my degree. The language of the supporters of the Act, which had deeply cruel and unpleasant effects, was well to the fore in comments on this thread. We like to think that we are better than our pre-Victorian forebears, but people don't really change at all, do they?

That’s why I started to post about it. mazie

Can you clear something for me please was Malthus an influence?

What I find hard to understand is that people are saying “Get Brexit done! We voted for it, it's the will of the people, we live in a democracy and therefore Parliament should carry out our wishes etc”
Yet even Nigel Farage says that Boris Johnson’s style of ‘Brexit’ is NOT WHAT WAS VOTED FOR IN THE REFERENDUM.
What was described to us in 2016 is not going to happen, or at least only in part. It is NOT what was voted for or described at the time.
Do we really want our closest allies/ trade partnerships to be with Donald Trump and the USA? He acts like a spoilt school boy. Just look at his behaviour at the NATO summit. His arrogance and petulance is unbelievable. It’s no wonder that other Nato Leaders are talking about him behind his back.

Well said Eloethan.

I totally 100% agree. There has certainly been bullying and many personal insults on this thread, particularly directed towards whitewave.

All such behaviour is totally unacceptable and shows those people up for who they really are. Surely we can have an adult discussion without personal attacks?

This pulls at the heart strings?

politicsandinsights.org/2019/12/05/ice-sculptures-against-child-poverty/

Why attack do they attack the people on here?

We know we have a liar and a mountebank in Boris, wanting to be a legitimate PM. Why not think about what his party has done and he will do to the country.

Oh! no that won't work, will it? It's the self-centred, arrogant thinkers who lack empathy and consideration for other people who see him as their mirror image, isn't it?

Surely we can have an adult discussion without personal attacks?
I think the problem was that Whitewave wasn't having a 'discussion' so much as continually posting a long list of depressing statistics and stating how awful everything is. I think people found that totally negative and gloomy and they didn't like it. Every time a discussion started along would come another 'gloom and doom' list and an endorsement of the Labour party!

Very well said Eleothan The personal remarks made towards Whitewave have been absolutely dreadful.