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Prince Andrew’s alibi....

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BluebellGran Tue 03-Dec-19 20:12:33

I have just watched the Panorama programme featuring Virginia Roberts, about Epstein et al. Surely if Prince Andrew was attending a birthday party, the other parents and children who were also there would have come forward to uphold his alibi? Also I believe that the records kept by his security personal would confirm where he was on that night? Or am I stupid?

SirChenjin Tue 03-Dec-19 21:12:18

Yes/yes/no you’re definitely not.

He’s as guilty as it’s possible to be (imo).

Tangerine Tue 03-Dec-19 21:38:58

I would have thought that someone somewhere would be able to verify if he was at a birthday party that particular night.

If you had served Prince Andrew, I don't think it's something you'd fail to remember.

Callistemon Tue 03-Dec-19 21:42:17

He said that he and 'the Duchess' always made sure that one of them was at home with the children.
That surprised me, considering the amount of international travelling they both did.
Did they not have a nanny?

Anniebach Tue 03-Dec-19 21:49:31

It was said today a witness has come forward to say she saw Andrew in Tramp that night.

This troubles me, she can remember one night 18 years ago and comes forward today.

It has been said Andrew often went there.

Jane43 Wed 04-Dec-19 03:29:41

Callistemon, I read that records have shown this to be untrue, there are instances when both were out of the country at the same time. He may well have taken his daughter to a birthday party that evening but children’s parties don’t last long, there would have been plenty of time for him to go out later that night. A doctor has also said that the condition he claims to have had to prevent him sweating doesn’t exist, there is no connection between adrenaline and sweating. His story has more holes than a sieve.

I agree that it would be difficult for a witness to remember a specific night 18 years ago. It also bothers me that Virginia was paid a large sum of money for the photograph by a journalist.

JenniferEccles Wed 04-Dec-19 08:38:48

The birthday party was late afternoon in Woking.

He would have had plenty of time to get back to Bagshot where he was living at the time and then go to Tramp in London in the evening.

The birthday party is no alibi at all.

EllanVannin Wed 04-Dec-19 10:17:24

Whatever evidence there'll be will be withheld. PPI. The explanation being that " it's not in the interest of the public ". Information can be held indefinitely.

Calendargirl Wed 04-Dec-19 10:20:52

I watched the Virginia interview last night. So much of what Andrew said could be picked up and checked on. This business about the sweating, who on earth advised him to bring that up if untrue? Is he an appalling dancer BTW? He just seems to have dug himself an enormous hole. Yes, it can all be verified re parties and nightclubs I would think. What a mess!

merlotgran Wed 04-Dec-19 10:26:13

Did his security personnel have to sign gagging order, I wonder?

Anniebach Wed 04-Dec-19 10:29:15

How much can be checked about one night 18 years ago ?

BluebellGran Wed 04-Dec-19 11:27:30

Everyone knows when their birthday is and their family who arranged the party will know the date and the details, especially as Prince Andrew attended!

Callistemon Wed 04-Dec-19 11:32:37

He looks as if he could be an appalling 'dad dancer' but others could verify that.

As for the sweating, must ask our friend who served in the Falklands with him.

Anniebach Wed 04-Dec-19 12:04:22

Everybody can remember a birthday 18 years ago ?

And as the alleged party would have been for family friends why would they be excited about Andrew taking his daughter ?

I assume his daughter received more than one birthday party invitation that year so I doubt he is telling the truth , he can remember one party his daughter went to 18 years ago !

Sparklefizz Wed 04-Dec-19 15:04:30

Annie He explained that he could remember the party because Pizza Express in Woking was not somewhere he ever frequented grin

Oldwoman70 Wed 04-Dec-19 15:13:11

If he had shown up at the Pizza Express I am sure someone would have reported it to the local news outlets after. Any indication that happened? - or were the people of Woking subject to a vow of silence.

merlotgran Wed 04-Dec-19 15:20:25

He can't even lie without being an arrogant snob! grin

Waterloosunset Wed 04-Dec-19 15:33:31

Oh Merlot! I nearly choked on my packet of crisps 😂

ayse Wed 04-Dec-19 15:38:05

As Ellen Vanin says, I doubt if we’ll ever know who did what. “Not in the public interest” always seems to prevent information being available that the public ARE interested in!

Daddima Wed 04-Dec-19 15:42:15

Haven’t seen any Pizza Express staff come forward to say he visited. Of course, he may have been heavily disguised.

Anniebach Wed 04-Dec-19 15:45:33

Doubt if anyone at Pizza Express would have recognised him,

If it was a birthday party I assume he bought a pizza for all
unless it was a bring your own pizza party !

He hasn’t the intelligence to come up with a plausible porkie.

Yehbutnobut Wed 04-Dec-19 15:59:49

Someone has apparently come forward to say they saw him at Tramps with the underage girl.

Anniebach Wed 04-Dec-19 16:04:10

She wasn’t underage.

How on earth can anyone remember one night in Tramp 18
years ago.

EllanVannin Wed 04-Dec-19 16:21:56

I'm sure he'd remember his nights with a few Tramps Annie.

Song7 Wed 04-Dec-19 16:37:12

No evidence can ever undo the image that Prince Andrew has projected: of a smug, conceited fool, who imagines that he can hoodwink the public with this image of himself as superior and beyond reproach. Normal, decent people care about girls being treated like this, dread their daughters and granddaughters being drawn into webs like this from which they cannot escape. He doesn't care, doesn't think, doesn't imagine the repulsion of his client, and us, to behaviour such as his. It would be interesting to know how Epstein made the money to live like this. Perhaps Prince Andrew would have the decency to enlighten us? Perhaps he could direct us to tumbling down the whole sickening edifice of lives like theirs? No? It's the only thing that would convince us that his perspective has changed.