Brexit dividing my family.

I couldn't tolerate anyone in my company who was stupid enough to want to leave even when the Tory's own economic figures prove it would be a disaster The majority of folk that I am acquainted with who did vote leave did so because they are racist and I most certainly do not condone that

The vote has been had, If you have another vote how many more votes are you going to have after that. It needs to end. I don't think much of BJ but Labour want to drag this out even further. You know what you have to do to put an end to the division. The EU aren't going to give JC a better deal, because they don't have too. For God's sake Britain get on with it.

I have better idea! Just abandon the whole thing! :-)

And just to think when the election is over we back to a daily dose of Brexit. I for one will be listening to Angel radio where there are no news bulletins

I was always taught by my parents to keep my religion and my politics to myself so never discuss either with anyone. I have no idea who my parents voted for or who my husband votes for.

Feeling so depressed this morning....my fault for lying in bed reading papers online.
What was the point of the battle for voting if we are now about to elect the same sort of conceited, self-entitled braggart who would have triumphed in the eighteenth century?
We are not doing well personally with increasing health problems, but can cope financially at the moment, but so many people are in dire straits, and not much hope of improvement.
And then I turn the page and see that all this doesn't really matter, as the world is doomed!
When countries make such a mess of their individual politics, what chance is there of international cooperation to save the planet?
Oh dear...perhaps a cup of tea will help.

I don't discuss Brexit with my friends. I voted to remain but keep politics away from my friends, although we are all united in the fact that Jeremy Corbyn would ruin the country if he became PM. Brexit has rumbled on for too long, to leave was the choice of the majority and it has to be accepted, now we need to get it done. Europe is in a mess anyway.

If Europe is in a mess then we are in a bigger one.

........about to vote for a lying, cheating charlatan just for the sake of forcing an invalid result on the country.
Chilling words, MaizieD. It seems you and others like you not only refuse to accept the result of the referendum but will not accept the result of the GE if it's not what you voted for.
With people like you democracy is well and truly dead.

You have a very strange idea of democracy, Chestnut. It sounds more fascist than democratic to me.

What is so 'chilling' about telling the truth about Johnson and refusing to accept the result of a referendum won by illegal means?

I don't think people understand what a democracy is. We hold a general election at a maximum of 5 years. People change their minds. We were asked if we wanted to leave the EU, not how. There has been a lot of debate on the how and a consensus hasn't been reached. Putting how back to the people with an option to remain if they changed their minds is democracy.

Realistically the how should have been worked out before the first vote but it wasn't so here we are.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - but some people here are getting themselves into quite an angry and agitated state... (The estranged GPs stuck in denial, and trying to punish their AC through Gransnet confrontations? - Freudian.) Time for a visit to their doctor for some calming meds, maybe some therapy would help, too? The truth is that most ordinary people don't usually mention Brexit, but if they do it will be to say they are sick to death of the media bias, omissions, and the continual propaganda, and influencers. Spoiling my ballot, and OH SO glad we are Brexiting. UK - WON'T STAY! EU ARE THROUGH!

Florence 78 - wow what a start for a first post ''OMG Labaik Go get a glass of wine and a mince pie, it's not too late, it will help you sleep!!

Hi all - this is my first post and unlike many posters on this thread, I am not a political activist.''

With a very rude and nasty comment.
Followed by a very unpleasant accusation. And NO- none of us are activists- just very worried about Johnson becoming a disastrous, bungling PM leading to a hard Brexit that will decimate this country.

MaizieD - you need to find out what democracy is.
Maybe start here.

I'm going to vote to save the NHS (you know, the NHS that Labour fought to bring into existence in 1948)? Whilst the Tories are carving it up into separate services and selling it off? Is everyone aware that the NHS blood plasma service was sold off to a US company, Bain Capital, for £230m in 2013, which in turn, this year, has sold it on to a Chinese state-owned film, Creat, for £820m ??) Don't like Jeremy Corbyn - don't care; he won't be their leader for very long, but Johnson could last another decade and do untold damage. I'm going to hold my nose and vote Tactically to save the NHS. Hope others do too.

So, why was the referendum in Switzerland taken again? Or is Switzerland not democratic. As for democracy well, how about free speech. We have every right to criticise a result that we feel to be based on lies [and wasn't legally binding anyway]. If it has resulted in a government that is ineffective well, that's probably because the voting public were promised things that were not achievable.

It's Democracy, Individual Liberty, Tolerance and Respect. Free speech is America. Our 4 are supposed to work together.

Several big differences with Switzerland. 1- Referendums are the norm and binding - unlike the UK where they are, by our own Laws, adivisory (and no PM is allowed to make promises above our Law) 2.- before every Referendum, every voter is given, with their voting papers, a very detailed booklet (often 20+ ages)- with all the pros and cons of voting one way or another, as seen by the Government, and by different parties. This booklet has to be checked and approved for accuracy and truth - before being published and sent to all voters.

So if at a later stage, bias and untruths are discovered, and it is rare due to above process- a vote would be cancelled.

Chestnut - THAT is democracy. May I remind all the the Electoral Commission judged that there were many lies told, and outside interference - and that they would normally cancel the vote due to that evidence. They however were not able to, because, by our own Laws- the Referendum was NOT legal and only advisory- whatever Cameron told us. The Law is the Law - Cameron, Johnson or ... Corbyn for that matter- have NO right whatsoever to promise otherwise.

I don't ask casual aquaintances about their stance on leave or remain as I may be disappointed in them, and I prefer to keep on friendly speaking terms.

Friends , relatives, and friends of friends are all remainers. if anyone of this group was impressed by Johnson and Co I'd be amazed.

Of course I never ask- but in discussions, or when watching news or read papers, when you stay with people - you soon get the flavour - surely? And some people do insist on telling you and making it very clear... that they love Johnson, or Rees Mogg- and react massively negtively to others. You also see the papers they buy and read- and the comments they make.

Not when you see them for a drink, or a meal, perhaps- but certainly when you live abroad and you go and stay with them for a few days or they come to visit.

Jura, I never stay with people.

One sunny morning in 2016 I met a young woman in the park, both of us dog walking, she said "How are you?" to this old lady, me. I replied "I am depressed about the Referendum"
She soothed "It will be all right". I told her I was not as optimistic as she. ( She responded mainly about how corporation tax would be lowered so foreign companies would invest in the UK. But she omitted how schools, health, transport, housing and social care can be paid for without taxing the rich corporations.)

This was my one and only encounter with a leaver as far as I am aware. I simply don't move in those circles.

When you do not respect boundaries at all it really is no surprise that you want to unsee a democratic decision, too.

Democracy is not spending £9 million on another pointless referendum when we haven't enacted the first one.
Best out of 3? (£27 million) Lol!
Just so a few self-centred, extremely entitled ex-pats can swan around Europe on the cheap.

A lot of ((political influencers)) on here again...

Stop peddling your EU backed nonsense.

I am very concerned that gransnet is promoting labour from the promises which will never be fulfilled

A couple of responses.

ananimous, a democratic decision based on LIES is not a democratic decision.

Political influencers? You mean ordinary people like you with opinions, that you just happen to disagree with.

Notthatoldyet9, gransnet isn't promoting anything. The things written on here are from individuals, NOT the site.