Do the Tories care?

Just to endorse Monica's post of Sat 21-Dec-19 07:39:42, and her subsequent one.
In answer to Grany's question, why did young people turn out to listen to Corbyn and register to vote for him, probably because they are young and idealistic, support the idea of giving money to the deserving poor, and haven't yet had the practical experience to realise that they will be the ones who will be paying for it, repeatedly, in the future.

Postal Votes
@Macerty
It’s now alleged on air by the whistleblower that due to a huge backlog in processing applications and a lack of enough staff to do the job, many people in Northern Ireland did not get their right to vote respected. News!!!!!!!!!!!
A whistleblower in the Northern Ireland Electoral Office has
contacted the BBC Nolan Show and alleged that hundreds if not thousands of applications for postal votes were refused a vote in the recent elections. More..?

There is also an allegation that hundreds of calls from postal vote enquiries to the NI electoral office were being routed to a single mobile phone. The image of a single Nokia mobile phone being passed around was bizarre and raises serious questions about the postal vote system!

If true, this is absolutely mental, mind boggling and outrageous.

Is the postal vote electoral system in Northern Ireland in crisis?

Is there now a case that the entire postal votes right across the U.K. needs to be examined for irregularities or accuracy in processing??

We the many and public services cuts which all people rely on NHS underfunded millions living in poverty double the amount of food banks and we the many are already paying for the Tory decade long austerity orvdid you not know that eazybee? The young are not foolish they can see beyond Johnsons continued Lies. Give them credit.

eazybee - ....why did young people turn out to listen to Corbyn and register to vote for him, probably because they are young and idealistic, support the idea of giving money to the deserving poor....
Exactly what I was going to post! We have covered this in another thread too. That's why Labour want to get the votes of 16 year olds. Young people will follow the Pied Piper who plays the sweetest tune and tells the best fairy story.

Chestnut just to say that young people are not as stupid as you think they know Johnson is a liar not one to trust.

And by the way spending would have brought us up to France and Germany levels that's how far behind Uk is after 10 years of unneeded austerity while the riches 1% has got progressively richer. And the Scandinavian countries who polices are Labour and main stream their countries are thriving for all the people.

You know that’s how democracy works, right? That everyone who qualifies - young, old, educated, not educated, black, white, male female - are entitled to vote. Young people will be around for a hell of a lot longer to see the consequences of the vote than the oldies will be and will be expected to pay for those consequences. Rather than making disparaging and rather patronising comments about idealism (which, by the way, is what all young generations have and it’s a good thing - it pushes society forward) it might be better to recognise and acknowledge that.

And as for the economy

National Debt Tories have doubled it to £1.8 trillion
Not only have they borrowed more money than any government in U.K. history they have frittered this money away in tax cuts to big business and billionaires

Grany - young people are not as stupid as you think they know Johnson is a liar not one to trust.
But they fall for Corbyn's fairy stories? How he can save the NHS and help all the needy in society? An admirable policy but he has no way of funding it.

Actually Chestnut it seems to me some of Corbyn's supporters who post on GN have fallen for his fairy stories lol.

It's a bit late now Chestnut yes an admirable policy though it would take a while to undo all the damage Tories have inflicted over the years. They would spend the money wisely taxing the richest and big business would pay their fair share Corporation tax would be put up to just under other European countries. Deal with tax havens. And borrow to invest in the economy that is basic economics. Lots of economists agreed. All properly costed in their manifesto.

This is not fairy stories this is very much what is desparetly needed now for this country. Said all I want to say on this matter.

Corbyn would have been a disaster

And the youth quake talked about so often never happened

56% of the electorate didn’t vote Tory - I think that’s a pretty clear signal (if we compare it to say the EU referendum results which seems to be the benchmark for democracy for the Tories) that the electorate doesn’t want BJ.

I have already pointed out elsewhere that Tony Blair won the 1997 election with only 43.2% of the votes. Did you dispute that result when 56.8% did not vote Labour?

Well said Chestnut

Did we have a thread about that where you invited people to dispute that? I must have missed it

Of course I don’t dispute it - I’ve always said that FPTP is a complete disaster for democracy. Anyone crowing on here about how the electorate has spoken would do well to remember that yes - they did indeed speak and they said no to BJ and the Tories. No need for patronising comments about young people from people who themselves don’t appear to understand what the election results says about democracy.

From a book by lobby journalist Isabel Hardman (Why Do We Get the Wrong Politicians?):

Because it costs a huge amount of money to get into Parliament so.....*We end up with a political class that cannot instinctively see the impact of bad policies on the most vulnerable.*

Still in denial SirChenjin. I'm afraid you have to accept the system as we all do. The Conservatives won in 2019 under the same rules that Labour won in 1997.

Excellent posts Chestnut. Labour voters are very good at providing statistics about this election, but also very good at forgetting that similar statistics apply to previous elections which Labour won. FPTP may not be ideal, but then proportional representation would also come with huge drawbacks, hung Parliaments being one of them.

Of course statistics can prove most things and the percentage ofvotes can be used to justify al sorts. What it can't show of course is that the Tories care. But if anyone would like to post figures on how much better the NHS, schools or society in general was after a period of Tory government I invite them to do so.Until then I will continue to believe that the Tories don't care.

Can I just remind a few people on here that being worried about the prospect of five more years of Tory austerity does not make one a 'leftie' or a Corbyn supporter. This is not a binary issue and I suspect that many of the voters who chose Johnson because they disliked Corbyn will come to regret their decision when they see the disdain for democracy which is already unfolding. So much for taking back control. I am confused though by how people were unable to vote for Corbyn because they distrusted his promises and then voted for a man famed for breaking his to family, spouse, employer.......country. Still, it is what it is and I for one will never understand it.

I was reading an old article about the number of Etonians that are in government which said how removed from the real world they are. It went on to say 'in 1984 I couldn't have predicted that politics in the early 21st century would be so contaminated by my schoolfellows. Cameron became Prime Minister, the Mayor of London and the Archbishop of Canterbury were all Etonians. And there were so many involved in varying degrees of Brexit; Cameron, Johnson, Rees Mogg, Zac Goldsmith and Jesse Norman. Alexander Nix, the co founder of Cambridge Analytica; Nigel Oakes, the founder of it's sinister parent company, SOL; Kwasi Kwarteng who eventually became under secretary of state at the Department for Exiting the EU. The headmaster gave a talk in which he said old Etonians should be able to go into any room, mingle with any social group, be at ease and put others at ease. He should be marked by an air of effortless superiority'.
So, there you have it; these are the people now running this country who go on about 'the elite' and 'experts'. And the working classes think they represent them. Old newspaper articles are often, I find, more illuminating than current ones and I find this one particularly worrying.

One by one, the promises made are being thrown in the big Tory bin- and sales contract for parts of NHS, and now a major Defence Company with very sensistive information sold to the USA- quickly over Christmas, in the hope no-one will notice

If you vote for this, you have to own it.

Brexit: Boris Johnson’s bill ‘tears up’ protections for child refugees

New bill scraps commitment to negotiate new deal for refugee children hoping to join relatives in UK

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boris-johnson-withdrawal-bill-brexit-child-refugees-dubs-amendment-a9253841.html

If you vote for this, you have to own it. That says it all as far as I am concerned. I will never, ever accept that the referendum was a legal instrument to bring about this impending economic and social disaster, neither will I get my head around seeing reports of people in Food banks telling reporters they were voting for 'Good old Boris'. Smug, self satisfied people who think that financial disaster will never happen to them......I dislike their attitude but I understand it, but people who are already on the bones of their arse voting for more of the same........

Nope Chestnu no matter how much you attempt to claim it.