BBC exit poll

travelsafar Quote [Was it all just a Brexit Referendum under the guise of an election???????] End Quote.

It was certainly in the North of England a second Brexit referendum. However, there was also one other major factor in play, that being the disunity in the Parliamentary Labour Party.

The above was the major problem that Jeremy Corbyn failed to "sort out" which in the end brought forward this disastrous night for the parliamentary Labour Party.

By example to the above, even during this election campaign, we all witnessed Jonathan Ashworth the shadow health secretary undermining Corbyn in an open phone call to "a Conservative friend". No political party can command the respect of the electorate while that level of disunity is held within its ranks.

That is why I believe that the wider Labour movement may well " pull the plug" on the existing Palimentery Labour Party in favour of a fresh political stance and regime.

Does BJ win mean there will be different health care schemes for the poor and for those who can afford private insurance?

Grandad, did you hear the Alan Johnson interview, it’s illuminating. He said of Corbyn that ‘....he couldn’t lead the working class out of a paper bag.’ Johnson is a respected ex MP for the Labour Party. He is also moderate. Corbyn is anything but moderate. That’s why he was rejected.

Leaving Europe : Europe will be weaker for the UK aligning with the US leadership.

A weaker Europe means only two great powers, China and the US. No third option to make peace.

The exit poll was amazingly accurate!

After seeing the exit polls I went to bed happy and hoping they had it right and got up this morning to see it was so accurate, I'm elated.

Chewbacca 05:01:56

It does indeed - but will they get it?

I don't think they will. I heard McDonnell protesting that they are a centre left party. If that is what they truly believe then they will never stand a chance of governing with this lot leading the LP having such a grip on the party.

They need to listen to the country and what they are being told and take off their blinkers.
Last time Labour were in power they had sat down and worked out where they had gone wrong for years and worked out new strategies and what they thought the people wanted. OK, they did get a lot of things wrong - but they were electable.

maddyone in regard to your post @08:58 today, I would acknowledge that Jeremy Corbyn has had two major faults throughout his period as Labour Leader.

The first of those was the fact that he is not a good Parliamentary speaker and that allowed others within the Parliamentary Labour Party to appear more eloquent in the House of Commons and in that undermine Corbyn in their agenda to return the Labour Party and wider movement to a Blairite agenda

The second fault that Corbyn has persisted with is the fact that he never addressed the above in taking direct action against those who have sought to undermine him in the Parliamentary party. He and others in the party executive left it to the Constituency Parties to "bring to heal" those which engaged in that undermining which those Constituency parties never did.

However, if anyone thinks that the Labour Party and wider movement is about to return to Blair type policies and party structure then I believe they will be very disappointed.

The broader Labour Movement in the country will never allow a Parliamentary Labour Party to once again take the affiliation subscriptions of more than six million trade union members and give absolutely nothing to those persons in return.

I have just seen that Jeremy Corbyn has stated he is to continue as Labour Leader for the present time. I feel if that is truly the case then it is only to protect the Parliamentary Labour Party from the trades unions "pulling the financial plug" on that body very quickly indeed.

I couldn’t care less whether Labour return to a Blairite agenda or not Grandad, but you ought to, because a centre left agenda such as the Blairite one is the only agenda under which the majority of the voting public will ever put Labour in power. A far left, almost communist agenda from an opposition leader who associates with terrorists will never be elected in the UK.

So, in other words, it's not Jeremy Corbyn who is out of step, it's everyone else.
Including the electorate.

Is that to Grandad Callistemon?

It was not the electorate that were out of step, but members of the parliamentary Labour Party that were out of step with each other. That brought this disaster forward

Labour needs to return to the centre left. We did this after the
1983 election, it took 14 years !

Some comments beggar belief.
Among other problems I can see an expansion in food banks. Though why the users can't provide for themselves I don't know. Why should we be responsible for them....or their children?
I'm off..getting too angry with the "proud caring" nation.

I agree. Grandad - I voted for Corbyn as leader, but on the condition that he was able to unite all the factions in the LP.
He hasn't really addressed that, apart from a halfhearted compromise here and there.
Very disappointed, but not surprised.

Corbyn didn’t unite the Labour Party , he divided it.

Anniebach quote [ Labour needs to return to the centre left. We did this after the 1983 election, it took 14 years!] End Quote.

The Labour Party will not be returning to the centre left as per the Blair years, unless it finds a way to survive without the support of the trade unions and the rest of the broader Labour movement.

When the Labour .party are controlled by the Unions it brings
disaster.

1970’s ? 1983 ? 2019 ?

Labour was in government 1997 to 2010, won 4 consecutive elections, only time in the history of the Labour Party ,
and not union controlled.

Opal

your dishonest attacks on poor family are disgusting.
You are showing hte traits that make the Tory the nasty party
plus you are ignorant of wha thas happened to the UK in the last 9 years.
Austerity has made many families poor.
Stop attacking the families and learn some compassion for other people.

Labour needs to be rebuilt...not with unions.
It needs a lot of younger blood.
No more old man politics
There time is over.
No more Ms Abbott either.

Hear hear pinkquartz. There will always be those in society who need help. It's our moral duty to look after them, not blame them for circumstances over which they don't have control.

Apart from anything else, the LP need the unions for finance.
I haven't got any figures, but I know that in the past donations to the CP were way ahead of those for the LP.
Basic things like owning a building for meetings were out of the reach for some constituency LPs.

Anniebach, in regard to your post @11:48 today, as I have stated earlier in this thread it may well be a case of the trades unions leaving the existing Labour Party in the not too distant future.

Those unions will never again accept another Blair era which brought to those they represent zero-hours contracts, Gig Economy working and in carrying out that accepting the affiliation subscriptions of those often low paid trade union members while giving nothing.

I believe that a new left-wing party may well emerge from within the broader labour movement with policies very similar to the Labour Party policies of present, but without the divisions within that membership which has so encumbered the present leadership.

What has to be remembered I feel is that in the last two years the trade unions have achieved tremendous success in the courts in regard to Gig Economy working etc without any assistance whatsoever from the Parliamentary Labour Party. That situation has led to a rise in that union membership especially in the private sector giving a new confidence to its activists that they need look to no one else but themselves for their future.

Why didn't Corbyn man up and resign?
I can only believe it is confirmation that he is the puppet of Momentum and is waiting for his strings to be pulled'
I know it is crude but he is like dogshit you can' get off your shoe.

jolbook, because if he resigns immediately there will be a very short leadership race. Giving it time allows for a better selection and more time for labour voters to make an informed decision. Because he is a good man.