BBC exit poll

jo1book, in regard to your post @12:45 today, I will not lower myself to referring to fellow human beings in the way that you have in that post. I have as a Labour party supporter come on this forum this morning and tried to keep this discussion respectful and one of firm substance.

In that, the momentum group that you refer to were originally persons that were members of the community Branches that the Unite Union set up following the Labour Parties defeat in 2010 election. However, whether Jon Lansman should have become involved is a highly debatable argument. That involvement gave the media a target to aim at when in fact those persons did no more than take up places in the Labour constituency parties in the same manner that union activists from industrial branches have been doing for very many years.

As I have stated earlier in this thread, it may well be that the trade unions decide to "pull the plug" on the Parliamentary Labour party and its involvement in those constituency parties in favour of a new political stance.

We can only wait and see.

Even now, after getting thoroughly trounced in the elections and hearing his own party blame him for the losses last night, Corbyn is still not willing to move over until after "a period of quiet reflection". The man's arrogance and hubris is staggering! What will it take to get him out of the way so that someone more suitable can lead the Labour Party? Dynamite?

I think so Chewbacca and plenty of it. Thank goodness he wont be moving into number 10.

He reminds me of a child clinging onto a toy and you have to prize their fingers off, one by one!

Why should there be any rush to elect a new leader? If Jeremy Corbyn is prepared to stay in the leadership position then many may be prepared to see that happen. That action may placate activists in the broader Labour Movement from placing resolutions before their Organisational General Executives demanding that they should "pull the plug" on the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Within Unite Trade Union membership branches online those demands are already very prevalent today.

As stated, why rush, after all the Labour Movement will have up to five years to sort all this out.

"Because he is a good man."
I agree with that, Starblaze. He has his own set of strong moral principles, which many don't agree with. And he isn't just out for himself.

I suppose you might be right there Grandad1943; there isn't any rush to shift Corbyn to one side really. And the good thing about that is, that whilst he's at the helm, we have no worries about the Labour Party coming to power in its current format. He's doing the Party no favours by lingering and the rest of the Party will resent him even more.

Opal - I cannot say I have ever noticed shouters - people who disagree with you and people who disagree with me too - but that is allowed. It does not make them shouters.

The Labour party has five years to sort out a new leader ?

Go forward April 2025, a general election May 2025,

mmm, best we find a new leader Jeremy ?

Corbyn’s a wonderful man. He associates with terrorists, lays wreaths at their graves, and is anti Semitic to boot. Oh yes, he’s a wonderful man.

I like this tweet - Margaret Hodge

‘Corbyn talking about a period of reflection, I’ve reflected,
you failed, please stand down ‘.

maddy he was at the wreath Laying ceremony but - doesn’t know if he was involved ! ?

I like that too Annie. As I don’t do Twitter, I wouldn’t have known. Margaret Hodge is right isn’t she!

Well he’s getting on in years Annie, maybe he’s suffering from memory loss ?

He could just be staying to try and get someone in his place from his coven of friends and supporters. He probably wants to leave a leftist legacy. He just doesn't get the Country doesn't want his ideas. A real head in the clouds fool.

maddy I don’t do twitter - I don’t tweet, but I follow some Labour MP’s I respect.

I would imagine there are many in the Conservative party who don't want Corbyn to step down. Why, he's the gift that keeps on giving ?

True Mery
The more inadequates, over-promoted, will gift the Tories.

Oh I see Annie.

maddy you can sign on to twitter and choose who you wish to follow. I did so because I like to keep up with the work
Gordon and Sarah Brown are doing for education of children in very poor countries. I never post anything.

Chewbacca, in regard to your post @16:27 today, I believe that no one within the wider Labour moment in the country cares two hoots at this point in time whether those within the Parliamentary Labour party resent Jeremy Corbyn remaining as Leader or not.

The Parliamentary Labour Party will now not be able to make any difference to any anyone's life in any way for up to the next five years, whereas the Broader Labour movement through its trade unions will continue to be able to support and assist people in their everyday working lives in the way they have continually done over very many years.

Therefore it is within that Broader movement that change will have to be considered and brought to its *political arm" as the Parliamentary party would seem to be incapable of getting in any united way behind any group of policies or persons.

Deciding on what the future should be in regard to the support the trade unions may wish to give to the Parliamentary Party or not will I feel take at least a few months due to the wide-ranging consultation the trade union movement will wish to carry out with its members and activists.

Jeremy Corbyn has always maintained an excellent relationship with those trade unions, and in that, it may well be that Corbyn believes he can play a role in trying to prevent the entire trade union movement from withdrawing all support from the Parliamentary Party.

However, judging by the long-running Boll*cks up the parliamentary party have made in regard to their unity and organisation over the last two years, I strongly suspect that they will be unable to see "the writing on the wall" and many within their ranks will try to hound Corbyn out of office.

Such action I believe will without a doubt see the broader Labour movement draw a very firm red line under its more than one hundred year support for the Parliamentary Labour Party.

I'm in no hurry to see JC gone either. He has done the party proud. He's honest, ran an honest campaign DESPITE the weight of propaganda, lies and personal smears coming from a very corrupt yet wealthy and powerful right-wing. JC is a very popular leader within his party.

Many of us were more saddened by his desire to stand down, this morning, than we were by the election result. He represents what the real Labour supporter believes in. Who knows what COULD be achieved if socialism were given a chance on an equal playing field?

However, as I said this morning. This will never be the case in the UK now. We have entered an extreme-right political position in the UK, making it a dangerous place for the poor, the needy, the disabled, the elderly, the non-white, the non-Christian. The interference of corrupt foreign media moghuls / business and NON politicians residing in 10 Downing Street have rendered us a non democracy. We have a bigot / serial adulterer as a figurehead and an unelected man running the country.

I'm glad I'm older frankly. I am disillusioned by my countrymen BUT I've only got another 20 or so years. Many younger people have been in tears this morning at the loss of their hopes.

Corbyn has an excellent relationship with the Unions, he promised to return full power to them when he was PM .

Who ever is the next leader will need several years for the public to learn about them, how they perform etc

Grandad if traditional Labour constituencies have now turned Conservative, is that not an indication that the closer affiliation of the present Labour leadership with the Trades Unions could be what is making them unelectable?
Corbyn is closer to certain Trade Union leaders than his own MPs but he does not seem to be getting the message that this could be making his party unpopular with the wider electorate.

Perhaps he should have listened more to his frustrated Parliamentary MPs instead of threatening them with deselection.
Perhaps then Labour would not be in the state where they now find themselves.

Trade Unions may have 6 million members but how many of them are staunch Labour voters?
It's a fallacy to think that belonging to a Trade Union means a person automatically votes Labour.

MerylStreep


the broader Labour movement
But what is that exactly?

We had a broader Labour movement, in the main successful but now are heading for a very narrow one.