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How can Corbyn be hounded out of office ?

Callistemon, in regard to your post @19:39 today, it has to be remembered that the Parliamentary Labour Party was born out of the trade union movement over one hundred years ago when it was realised by those unions that such things as better education, health and housing for its members could not be gained by way of shop floor influence.

After the initial setup of the Parliamentary Labour Party, its administration and policy making was left to the Constituency Labour Parties with its finance being largely paid for by the affiliation subscriptions made by the trade union members. That situation happily continued for very many years with the trades unions and Labour party acting in support of each other in times of requirement.

However, during the Blair era that long-lasting alliance very much changed. Blair never once attended any trade union or TUC conferences and largely totally ignored the Broader Labour Movement while at the same time allowing the introduction of zero-hours employment contracts and Gig Economy working conditions. In that, Blair still continued to accept the affiliation subscription of those often low paid trade union members.

In 2010 following the banking crisis and Labours defeat in the 2010 General Election, the Broader Labour movement began to take action to gain a greater say in policymaking and within seats held on structural positions within the Parliamentary party. Out of that demand, the affiliated members in the broader Labour movement were allowed for the first time a vote in the election of the Labour Party Leader and that combined with a huge rise in direct Labour party membership, which was largely affiliated trade union members joining the Labour party directly, brought about Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Parliamentary party.

The above is why I believe that Broader Labour Movement (in reality the trade unions) will never once again accept a situation where their members pay the bills of the Parliamentary Labour party without having a large say in policymaking and holding a substantial number of seats on its National Executive and within the constituency parties.

For what its worth, I feel that the trades unions should withdraw support from the parliamentary Labour party, for those unions have achieved huge success through the courts in regard to such matters as Gig Economy working in recent months, which has led to a rise in trade union membership in several industrial sectors without any assistance from the Labour party whatsoever.

Therefore the time may well be right for a complete realignment of left wing politics in Britain with the Broader Labour Movement launching a fresh political wing.

If the existing Labour Party can survive without the support of the wider movement, so be it, as that would set it free to have whatever policies and leader(s) it wished.

. JC is a very popular leader within his party

But not, gagajo with either the Parliamentary Labour Party or more tellingly - the electorate. .

Grandad43 you say

If the existing Labour Party can survive without the support of the wider movement, so be it, as that would set it free to have whatever policies and leader(s) it wished.

You explain my reasons for being against the unions having
power over the Labour Party, why Corbyn is a nodding dog
for McClusky.

The Labour MP’s should decide on the manifesto not the unions.

Electorate have no need to concern themselves anymore though, do they?

So, if he is wanted, he stays. And currently, he is.

If only Corbyn had employed Anniebach as an advisor, she would have told him ages ago, that he was headed for disaster with an extreme left agenda and no firm commitments on Brexit one way or another.She certainly told other LP members and voters on this forum.....and they sneered nonstop.We now know how it ended.

Intransigence is not a good trait.

Neither is lying.

Grandad I know the history of the Labour Party, it was imbued in me as I grew up.

However, times do change, what the electorate wants or needs has obviously changed and politicians should recognise that and adapt to modern times.

So wrong unions can hold a substantial number of seats on the
National Executive. Suppose this explains why Jennie Formby
is the current general secretary, she is the mother of McCluskys son.

Anniebach Quote [ So wrong unions can hold a substantial number of seats on the National Executive. Suppose this explains why Jennie Formby is the current general secretary, she is the mother of McClusky's son.] End Quote.

Anniebach, if you are suggesting that women in Britain only achieve advancement in their employment by way of "jumping into bed" with their male superiors in management then that is highly derogatory to every working woman in this country.

Disgusting and totally out of date thinking. I also suggest you read up on the Jennie Formby advancement by way of trade union workplace representative election in the road transport industry throughout the nineteen seventies.

A woman that has walked the walk and not just talked the talk as so many do.

I see Grandad’s back to lecturing us again. Quelle surprise!

I think they call it "Mansplaining" maddyone.

Male superiors in management?

granddad43, you are confused , what has Male management to do with McClusky and Formby?

You end your post saying of Formby

‘A woman who has walked the walk and not just talked the talk
as so many do ‘

You are saying many women do ‘jump into bed ‘ but not
Formby ?

Aw I think granddad43 has a crush on Ms Formby ?

Well, if anyone should look back in this thread they will witness that i was asked to do some "Mansplaining" by a woman.

I am also very surprised that women who are always posting on this forum in regard to women's inequality in Britain would wish to defend a person who believes that in the workplace women only advance their careers by jumping into bed with their male superiors. ?

grandad43. May I explain ?

McClusky is a union boss, he is not a superior Male in the
Labour Party.

I do agree he is with just a few others - controlling the Labour Party but he is only a party member.

Anniebach, you "claim" to have been a member of the Labour Party for fifty years. However, you have often demonstrated as with your above post that you have little or no understanding of its administration or structures.

In that, you speak of Len McCluskey "running the Labour Party" when he does not even hold a seat on that bodies General Executive Committee (NEC).

Jenny Formby also does not hold a voting seat on the above body. She is the General Secretary of the Labour Party and in that position she is ex-officio to the NEC.

The word "Secretary" in her title should have given you a clue anniebach?

No granddad43. Not 50 years , over 50 years a member,
You are just a labour supporter .

Anniebach Quote [You are just a labour supporter.] End Quote.

Wrong again Anniebach. I have been an affiliate member of the Labour Party since 1966. I have maintained that by way of my membership of the Transport & General Workers Union (now the Unite Union).

I still retain that membership as gratitude for all that organisation did for my education throughout the 1970 and 80s. A service they continue to give to very many others even today.

Such is the Labour Movement

dear me, another slanging match.

dear me, another slanging match.

Where Annie goes ...

Unions again, I chose to join the Labour Party, NOT from gratitude , a decision I made after much thought.

Where Annie goes ? A stalker follows ?

Pointless really, all of it.