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Tooting29 Fri 13-Dec-19 06:48:43

All the hyperbole, the grandstanding the rhetoric all over. We have a result and the British public have spoken. We have a conservative government.
Are we surprised?

Nanniejc1 Fri 13-Dec-19 16:58:57

I am so relieved,at last we will get Brexit sorted........the British people have shunned Corbyn & socialism,he would have taken us back 50/60 years & we need to go forward not back.Well done to Boris & the Conservative Party!!!

minxie Fri 13-Dec-19 17:00:42

Remainers wanted a second referendum, well yesterday they got their wish and still lost.
So let’s get on with it and get out.
The liberals lost and I always used to vote for them because they clearly don’t believe in democracy and labour lost because it’s a dead party with that loon at the helm

maddyone Fri 13-Dec-19 17:01:28

Annie, I feel sorry for Luciana Berger too, I commented as much to DH this morning. She has been driven out due to anti semitism in the Labour Party. Will it improve under a new leader? We’ll have to wait and see.

Rosina Fri 13-Dec-19 17:01:37

Relief. The thought of puppet Corbyn and the frightening bunch of hard left lurking behind him was the stuff of nightmares. His manifesto sounded highly desirable but sadly ridiculous unless you wanted the country to be bankrupt within six months. Only a fool would believe that Labour could implement the manifesto without ruining the economy.
I am not alone in liking Boris - he has had a terrible press, and printing reams about his private life, the number of children he has, or any other matters not related to his political careeer is intrusive; he will never talk about his private life, and neither should anyone else. In other countries presidents and politicians are able to have a life outside of politics - it is only here that newspapers pick on public figures and blow up tiny incidents, hound people with silly made up stories and pry into matters which are private.

Reddevil3 Fri 13-Dec-19 17:02:34

OK. Boris has won. But in all his negotiations in Bruxelles,
(I’m not going to use the B......t word,), I feel the couple of million of us brits living in Europe have been totally forgotten/ignored. I’m thinking of taking French nationality I’m so worried about my status here. And, will I have to get a visa to visit the uk, the land of my birth and my heritage?

Chestnut Fri 13-Dec-19 17:05:08

Well said Rosina. I do admire the way Boris stood up to all the flack over the last few months, from the HoC and the press. They really hammered him! But he stood firm and did not waver even when they tried to send him to jail. A strong leader.

Nanniejc1 Fri 13-Dec-19 17:08:49

Felt elated this morning when I heard the results,sick of hearing Swinson shouting & ignoring Democracy,can’t see how they can be called Lib Dem’s .....should be Lib Undemocratic party!!So pleased time hear of the demise of Sourface Soubry & all the rest of the rabble,who tried all ways to stop Brexit .We’ve waited over 3 years for this !!!!!

Maremia Fri 13-Dec-19 17:18:04

Chestnut, he didn't stand up to the flack. He refused to do interviews, and when challenged, ran away and hid in a fridge. Will that fridge be going with him as he faces world leaders, and their very experienced negotiators, on his soon to be trade deal tours?
NotSpaghetti a 'fact-light campaign'? Really? You mean he constantly told lies.
JC is a 'risk to security'. I look forward to reading the suppressed Russian Dossier, to find out who is the real security risk.
Get Brexit done? Could be another election before it is half way there. Estimates are it could take ten years.
Merry Christmas to one an all.

CoolioC Fri 13-Dec-19 17:30:34

Aprilrose
I read your comment from page 10. I agree with you 100%. I worked with people on benefits and the homeless at shelters prior to moving abroad. I was always amazed at the hard luck stories whilst they sat there smoking with Sky on in the background. Homelessness is a problem. Some choose this though and I would suggest that people go out on the streets volunteer, to see if they can help instead of sitting at their dining tables professing over this. Volunteering is a very noble cause.

Where I live, in Portugal, you pay 4.50e to see a GP. 1.20 for an X-ray (on cd) and for your prescriptions young or old. What wrong with that? It would keep the hypercondriacs at bay.

Hopefully the Uk will start training their own nurses and doctors and care staff instead of pinching other countries.

Blondiescot Fri 13-Dec-19 17:32:52

Wow, just wow. I was in despair this morning and genuinely couldn't understand why people were voting Tory, but reading through this thread, I can see why - and I now despair even more. What a bunch of uncaring, callous people some of you are...

GrannyMary1 Fri 13-Dec-19 17:33:54

@Opal

The general feeling here in Scotland (in my experience) has swung towards independence with people wishing the SNP would continue to run the country. Most people I have spoken to feel that independence from Westminster while wishing to retain all the benefits of remaining in the European Union makes a lot of sense. Especially if you are intelligent and open minded. Instead of being racist and narrow minded. If an Indy vote was held next year it would be for independence. Of that I have no doubt. All depends who your friends and acquaintances are doesn’t it. I think you have been listening to much to Jacob Rees-Mogg! You do not speak for me.

GrannyMary1 Fri 13-Dec-19 17:34:49

too much

Bobbysgirl19 Fri 13-Dec-19 17:38:51

So happy! Democracy has prevailed - at long last !!!

Jabberwok Fri 13-Dec-19 17:47:26

How do you know that you will get into the EU as an independent country asap after independence?

suttonJ Fri 13-Dec-19 17:49:59

Please can someone take Urmston to lie down and calm down. Her blood pressure must be through the roof. Let's hope she doesn't need the NHS.

Evie64 Fri 13-Dec-19 17:51:43

I am very happy and relieved that at last the 17.5 million people who voted leave are not longer being told that they are stupid and that their own MPs in their "Leave" constituency know better than them. I voted to join "The Common Market" which for quite a while worked well, until the butter mountains etc,. I didn't vote to be taken over by non elected bureaucrats in Brussels. This election was another referendum and again the public spoke. Now let's get it done.

Luckygirl Fri 13-Dec-19 17:56:03

I am still waiting for Tory to tell me about the virtuous things that have been done in the last 10 years. I wait on........

Please be clear - I am not a Labour supporter - although voted for them this time as a local tactical vote - and I have no support for JC and the team around him, but I do feel very concerned about what this result means for those at the bottom of the heap. The wide gap between rich and poor, which is likely now to worsen, is seriously dangerous for us all, both rich and poor. One of the reasons the referendum went the way it did was in part nothing to do with Brexit, but the actions of people who had been downtrodden for so long - it was a chance to deal out a bloody nose.

This election campaign was clearly nonsense - people talking about JC as PM - that was never going to happen and was just a Tory threat to rally voters. The best result we could have hoped for was a Tory majority sufficiently small to clip their wings from their excesses of policies that make the poor poorer.

eric87 Fri 13-Dec-19 18:01:14

Mr Toad in charge, well I never! I suppose we get what we deserve. Poop Poop

newgran2019 Fri 13-Dec-19 18:02:53

Not quite sure how 'democracy has prevailed' when 45% of the votes were unrepresented. I didn't want Corbyn either, but can't rejoice at the power now wielded by the arrogant, immoral, entitled toff Boris. One of his supporters actually told me that people who need to use food banks are 'tattooed thickos who won't take responsibility' for their lives'. Such a blanket demeaning of all people in difficult circumstances appals me.

icanhandthemback Fri 13-Dec-19 18:07:23

I did not vote for Boris, I voted for a candidate who has achieved a reasonable amount in the last few years. He just happened to be Tory. If there had been a decent second choice and I had been able to vote for them for party reasons, I would have done.
There is a lot of hysteria about “selling off” the NHS but the figures just don’t add up. Quite frankly, when there was a choice to go to France to have hip ops or stay in England for them the NHS could not compete in efficiency or service. We need to look very carefully at the way it is run and get it fit for purpose. As a nation we really need to have the discussion about how to do that.
Do I feel like crowing? No, I hate the discord, the intolerance, the hate, etc, etc. Do I think it would have been any better if the other side had won? No, because despite all the hand wringing about the vulnerable, poor and sick, the majority don’t do anything to help, they just like to rubbish other people. I want a middle road, with more tolerance for genuinely sick and suffering people and a big stick for those who refuse to help themselves because they think it is ok to keep taking.

dorcas1950 Fri 13-Dec-19 18:25:11

Opal, Urmstongran tchwink

grammargran Fri 13-Dec-19 19:06:23

I am in despair reading through these comments. Compassion, empathy and general all round niceness seem to have left these shores. I’m not sure I belong here any more.

GagaJo Fri 13-Dec-19 19:10:27

grammargran, couldn't agree more.

Blondiescot Fri 13-Dec-19 19:12:23

grammargran and GagaJo, exactly what I said too.

CoolioC Fri 13-Dec-19 19:21:40

I don’t actually read any fascist, hate comments on here, just opinions. If you are a remainer, you wouldn’t like the comments. Quite frankly though over the past 3 years the comments about those who wish to leave the EU have not been pleasant from retainers.

For those who are thinking of living in the EU, any of the countries would still welcome you with open arms. If you become resident, you are entitled to free healthcare in some of the countries and will still be after Brexit takes place. You will still be able to rent/buy a property- they want your money. Prior to joining the Common market you were able to buy property abroad.

The remain posters spread lies and untruths regarding what you can and cannot do past, present and future.