According to a fb friend - Hate won!

Callistemon Fri 13-Dec-19 10:01:37
Gagajo are you going to find it difficult living in China?

No. Their system doesn't pretend to be democracy. And they are remarkably free from worry as a result. Politics don't impinge on their daily life at all. Last time I lived there it was remarkably freeing.

I feel much better now I've realised the UK is no longer a democracy either. No point stressing over what can't be changed.

We have to hope that the Brexiteers were right, that Boris will come up to scratch, not jump into bed with Trump, fund public services as they should be, and find some understanding of how most folk live in this country.

We have to hope...

We had a democratic referendum and now a democratic election. Get over it and play nicely.

Easy to say when parts of our so-called "united" kingdom are going to be ruled by a government they DIDN'T vote for, LadyGracie.

Hopefully no more groundhog day.?

I don't think hate won but I do think social media won and I am just as guilty as anyone because I come on here and get a lot of information from fb etc.

However the thought of the Boris and his allies ruling Scotland from Westminster or Washington fills me with dread and fear.

Already the knives are out to quell Scotland's influence and to take away our rights, so hard earned. There could be civil war. There is real fear of a power grab from Westminster, now.

The Tory manifesto says that “after Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution” and pledges a commission to draw up plans for reform.

And so it goes on! An awful lot of people have got a government they didn't vote for, but until we're not a 'United' Kingdom there's not a lot anyone can do about it. Time to take a break!

I am a Labour voter and was very depressed last night, and in the run up to the election, because the result is as I suspected.

I accept that we live in this imperfect system of democracy and the majority who voted have spoken, and it is still, at the moment, better to live in the UK than many other countries.

I just hope that now the Tory party have more MPs in the north, and some depressed areas, they will be working hard to represent the concerns of many of their disaffected constituents who have previously felt largely ignored by government.

It's about time that the government learned that there's more to the UK than London and a couple of major cities.

I am trying hard not to expect the worst and hope for the best.

an awful lot of people have a government they didn’t vote for isn’t this the case after every election? I’ve had plenty of years living with the “ opposition “.

The silent majority roared!

GagaJo, you say that China doesn't pretend to be a democracy and is remarkably free from worry as a result. I haven't been to China, but I can't follow your rationale really. China is a country that still executes its citizens with a bullet to the back of the head, I'd have thought that would be a massive worry plus the fact that it has rounded up many of its Muslim population and placed them in detention camps. Good friends you have made there aside, you think that is preferable to a Britain under a Tory government

Well I feel hated. I feel that as an ordinary single pensioner I should not be alive and nothing but a nuisance. I cannot afford private health insurance and as the NHS will no longer exist I will with other pensioners be sitting on the hospital steps dying, my family who need help, some with mental health problems, some with learning difficulties will be left to fend for themselves with no help or hope. I assume state education will go the way of the NHS and if you cannot afford to pay there will be no education. What have ordinary working people done to be thrown on the scrap heap because we are not privately educated or rich, answer me that.

Rubbish, it was about democracy. Those on the losing side are just unable to accept it gracefully. Time to suck it up, and move on.

So people should just give up their convictions because....why? Other people voted for something else?

All you have to do is look at Canada and how “graciously” their conservatives are acting over their loss.

Voters of all stripes will bemoan the loss of their “team”.

Ridiculous melodramatic catastrophising!

My comments were to Hillwalker

On a slightly less serious note, going back to the ego driven Lily Allen, can't help thinking when she delivers her edicts, partly to showcase her finger nails, in Calais grizzling, she had clearly been for a recent manicure, also blubbing again but happily tears of joy over the Labour Manifesto, high nail art was again at the fore! Do bear in mind Lily when you take off to some fascist free utopia overseas, that there needs to be some red hot nail technicians at your disposal (hopefully not trafficked)

The Union will pay the price for this- that is almost certain.

People who are well off and who have people in their family who have special needs or health issues, can rest in the knowledge that they will be there to help, and support, and do their best by them. And when they go, provide the inherited finance for others to continue to do so.

For many ... it is a very different story.

From the Remain groups I follow- I can assure you that so many are planning their escape asap. Intelligent, full of energy, ideas and ideals - who do not want to live in what they now call 'little Britain'. Doctors, nurses, researchers, entrepreneurs, teachers - they stayed to fight this- they see no future now. They will leave at the same time as so many of the foreign, EU or otherwise - how Johnson will retain them, I have no idea, for sure. They fought, they hoped... they now have nothing to lose in the UK. Much better conditions and salaries elsewhere- and NO, I can't blame them.

Strangely enough, for the first time ever, my/our votes counted- and a young woman of afro-carribean origin was elected in our Constituency. Looking forward to go and congratulate her in person.

it's complicated but I do feel immigration played a huge part in the whole sorry mess.

Things were badly handled for years and almost ghettos were allowed to build up. The right wing press and the odious NF then jumped on the band wagon. It's so disheartening.

Jane, I don't believe it was a roar, it was more a polite cough. JC was an abysmal choice, people are weary.

I’m so lucky that my friends and family like me for who I am and not my politics, beliefs, colour, sex...

There are just too many people now with tunnel vision (including and especially the politicians in the last government) who believe that they and only they are right. Time to be more accepting and pull together.

Well put Callistmon.
Thick as pig s..t with a mighty BIG mouth.

BlueBelle, you are upset, that’s why you’re talking a load of tosh.

inkcog it is so complicated. I live with this complication.
I live in a place that has such a reputation that we say oh..I live in Leeds Wakefield Huddersfield anywhere apart from where we actually do.
Everyone does !

Good post (and picture!) nfk.

Blondiescot, everyone who didn’t vote Conservative is now living with a government they didn’t vote for, it’s called democracy. This is how it works, more people voted Conservative than voted for any other party. In five years time we’ll do it all again and the party with the most voters/seats will have won power. It’s really not too difficult to understand.