Is this the beginning of the end for the United Kingdom?

People unhappy with the way things are will take a desperate gamble on change (any change) to, at least, have hope that there will be improvement!

www.thenational.scot/news/18100632.bernard-ponsonby-destroys-scottish-torys-argument-indyref2/

Don't know if the link will work, but I hope it does as it makes an irrefutable point.

What good for the goose???
I've always said I'd vote for Bernard Ponsonby. Fair, consise and level headed.
Thanks for that link granny.

I don’t know if it makes an irrefutable point - more that it draws upon the similarities between Brexit/Tories and Independence/SNP. Was that really the intention of the (completely unbiased ) National?!

Ultimately, Sturgeon has a difficult road ahead. She doesn’t have a majority share and while she had more votes and seats than the last election she’s not back to 2015 levels. In Scotland, 1,018,322 voted to leave the EU and 1,617,989 voted to leave the UK so there’s a huge number of Scots who don’t want to be part of the EU - and logic dictates that a large percentage of them will be Yes voters. However, if she wants to persuade people like me to vote for independence to give her the majority she needs then she’ll need to give us clear details of how we stay in or rejoin the EU and on what terms I want a cast iron guarantee that EU membership will happen in the immediate aftermath of the Indy ref if they win - not a vague ‘vote yes and then we’ll see what we can do about it’. In turn though, she could(would?) lose the pro Brexit/pro Indy vote.

Yes, so that earlier this morning - point brilliantly made.
Geese and ganders come to mind.

I don't know what the legal position is with regard to the granting of another referendum. However, as appears to be the case, if a very large number of people want to have that vote, I think it may be very unwise to refuse it. When you look at other countries that have denied a vote on independence it has caused terrible ill feeling - and sometimes worse - on both sides of the argument. There is no point retaining any sort of partnership if one party does not wish to remain in it and their stance angers the other parties.

I would be very sorry if Scotland were to become independent. I see it as an important and loved part of Britain. However, I do understand many Scottish peoples' frustration and anger, and their wish to break away from a union that they feel does not represent the majority's wishes.

It would be tragic - but the way they have been treated- I truly could not blame them.

There is a huge surge of sympathy in the EU and where I live, for the Scots. I was talking to a multi-millionaire business man at a meeting the other day (we are both on management committee of a Museum locally)- and he loves Scotland and good Malt- and said he would be interested in opening a plant in Scotland if ever. I do believe that many EU businesses would be happy to invest in Scotland.

I live in a Scottish pro-union area and would be very sad indeed that my family would end up with different nationalities if Scotland becomes independent. However, if the majority of Scots decide they want independence I will have to swallow that and adjust my plans accordingly.

Nicola Sturgeon is being duplicitous, though. The SNP literature that came through my door clearly stated that they were begging for our votes in order to topple the Tories and that they recognised that a vote for SNP didn’t necessarily mean a vote for independence. The ink was scarcely dry on the results papers when Sturgeon was claiming exactly that!

Those of you in England may also have missed Sturgeon’s triumphalist reaction to Jo Swinson losing her seat. It was a display of most unpleasant nationalism.

Here we go again. Nicola Sturgeon was celebrating her party's win in a hard-fought seat. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure a male politician wouldn't be attracting as much bile for doing so.

What a strange comment. I’d find it just as offensive in a man.

Clearly some other posters on here feel differently - attacking her for her appearance, etc.

I wasn’t attacking her for her appearance. I don’t even recall what she was wearing. It was her action that was unpleasant.

I didn't say you were, I said other posters had done so. I've seen far worse "celebrations" by candidates of varying parties at election countres over the years. As far as I'm concerned, she was celebrating her own candidate's win in a hard-fought seat, as she's perfectly entitled to do.

All the Scot and NI, who consider they are being treated badly by Westminster should come and live in the North of England, they would then recognise what mis treatment feels like. These were the counties that generated the wealth that made this alliance of small countries Great...and now...

And yet they voted Tory Joelsnan - I just hope they’re not too disappointed in the coming years.

And as far as I am concerned, her reaction was gloating and unedifying. It’s all in the eye of the beholder but if she wants to convert people to her POV then she needs to look at the message she’s sending out.

I think Sturgeon went too far. She’s in a position of power and was obviously delighted to have won the seat but she went completely over the top with Jo Swinson. Funnily enough, she’s managed not to behave that way when they’ve won other marginal seats by very small majorities. I’d say the same if Salmond or any other politician (and in particular, the leader of the party and country) had behaved that way, so you can save your ‘it’s because she’s a woman’.

I simply cannot understand why there is all this talk of Independence surely we are better as a united country working together. However if this happens I will not ever visit these countries or buy anything made there. They may not miss me as I am sure I will be told by many I will miss them as they are beautiful countries but I feel strongly if they dont want us I do not want them.

If the majority decides to vote yes to independence then I’m sure we’ll manage just fine without your visit Violettham

I believe the Court of Session may be able to overrule the prime minister if he refuses Scotland the right to hold a referendum.

And now that the Unionists in N. Ireland have lost ground, I think we may well live to see the end of the United Kingdom.

Putin congratulates UK's Johnson as EU leaders warn of Brexit outcome

Russian President Vladimir Putin congratulated the prime minister for his decisive victory, saying "I am sure that the development of constructive dialogue and cooperation in various spheres would be fully in the interests of our countries' peoples and the entire European continent," he said in a statement.

www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1576247787-putin-congratulates-uk-s-johnson-as-eu-leaders-warn-of-brexit-consequences

Well done Johnson - this is fully in the interests of Putin!

And it's exactly attitudes like yours, Violettham, which make many of us want independence!

If you consider all the horrible comments that Swinson has directed at Sturgeon during this election then I am not surprised at her reaction.

What horrible comments would they be?

I've always been against Scottish independence but now think it a good idea. Scotland wants to rejoin the EU post independence so I could become an EU citizen again, having been born in Scotland.