Will the remainers admit defeat?

No - but I now accept that people will find out the hard way why it wasn’t a good idea but I will have no pleasure in saying ‘I told you so’. I have no doubt we will rejoin on day.

I think we all need to just work together and there is no point in expecting apologies I'm sure they did what they thought right at the time. In the end we all want the same,ba better Britain, we have to see how things develop in a spirit of hope.

Granny Square

Only a 67.3% turnout, lower than earlier this year. 2/3rds of the electorate.

What is all this about admitting defeat? I voted leave but it wasn't a 'for or against' decision, just a carefully considered choice. Both options have their advantages and disadvantages.

What will we end up with? The EU still hold all the cards. We don't have much bargaining power, so it'll be a huge compromise. The problem with that will be a result that nobody really wanted. We'll 'leave' - but not really!

Only a 67.3% turnout, lower than earlier this year. 2/3rds of the electorate

Your implication being that it is therefore not legitimate? This always seems to me the same ilk of thinking that is found in the comments I have seen that more people voted against Brexit in this election than for it. (or more voted remain).

That isnt how the system works. The system works by electing MP's from constituencies. Mosre voted for Conservative MP's on the basis of a promise of Brexit. You cannot assume how people would vote in a different system by extrapolating figures.

Firstly you cannot assume that all those voting for Labour were voting for remain. Labour did not fight the election on the basis of Brexit. The party who did fight on a remain ticket ( the Lib eral Democrats) lost seats.

The individuals who had swapped parties and stood as remainers also lost their seats.

Secondly you cannot assume that if we did have a system
( like in a referendum) where every vote would be counted rather than constituencies that people would have voted in numbers in the same way as they did by constituency. They probably would not. A different system would have a different impact on how people chose to vote.

The arguments being used are the same ones as have been used by the democrats in the USA. Its false thinking. It does not take account of how people behave in the different situations.

We do not have a system where people are required to vote. There are those who at any one time might be elegible but for various reasons wont be available or able. 67% is still a large turnout. General Elections have been won on less and no one has challenged them.

I don’t understand people saying that the vote to leave isn’t democratic. The people that really cared one way or the other had the chance to vote and it went the way of leaving the EU by a slim majority.

Some of the 53,000,000 voted to remain but a large number either couldn’t (due to age etc) or chose not to make a decision one way or another. People cannot assume that those who didn’t vote would have voted one particular way. Out of the number who chose to vote, the majority was to leave and so that decision should be honoured.

(And before people start sniping back at me for my point of view let me state that I voted to remain, but accept the democratic decision of those who voted)

Laibik send to you friend by all means.
I have read the list again and cannot see what all the protests are all about - it is simply asking for all the things the Leave Campaign told us they would do and how easy it would be to get trade deals with everyone.
I see that there is a problem with the WTO at the moment and it is unable to function properly.

Aprilrose
Wrong end of the stick. Replied to Granny on previous page.
, please read to gauge full facts. Thanks.

I`m with both Chestnut and JenniferEccles.
I`m also quite optimistic for the future of our country which I haven't been for many years.

As I said on another thread, the country has spoken and most people are feeling positive, but the doom mongers are in full flow on these boards. They have decided Armageddon is here and Boris is the antichrist.

sarahmob Those that couldn't get to the polls could apply for postal votes. That is what we did as did almost all of the people we were on holiday with.

Quite a number of those who did not vote were not interested in voting, didn't know the election was on and couldn't even have told you who the current PM is. There were also all those totally disillusioned by the political process.

We have a first pass the post system in this country. Accept it. That is how the system was, is and will be, since there seems to be no individual or political will to change it.

Those arguing for different results if we had a different system are like those arguing about how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. We have had an election, you have the results. Get over it and live with reality.

The party I support did not do well. I am quite prepared to accept that it got some of its policies badly wrong and ran a poor campaign. It would be helpful if some supporters of the loosing party could get over their self-delusion and do likewise.

When I read people saying things like ^ I now accept that people will find out the hard way why it wasn’t a good idea but I will have no pleasure in saying ‘I told you so’. I have no doubt we will rejoin on day.^ It makes me furious. How dare they speak like that of ordinary voters who like others on this thread thought through their voting decisions before making them.

But comments like this only reveal the arrogance of many Labour Activists and their contempt for the ordinary voters. I am not and never have voted Conservative, but this election was fought fairly and squarely on policies as each party had a repulsive leader. The voters thought and chose the Conservatives. Labour must like it or lump it and try to find the honesty to be able to analyse where they went wrong - not the electorate.

The worst I can say of Labour is that they are rotten losers, mean spirited and dishonest.

I'm surprised there are not more people demanding another General Election as they refuse to accept the result of this one!

It does look as if Ireland and Scotland are going to secede. I liked the United Kingdom but my main worry is England when it becomes ultra right wing.

As I said on another thread, the country has spoken and most people are feeling positive, but the doom mongers are in full flow on these boards. They have decided Armageddon is here and Boris is the antichrist.

Not at all Chestnut. There is a tradition in this old country for people to love freedom and that will keep us going.

I am pleasantly surprised that since the exit poll predictions and then the results that more people who supported the Conservatives have felt able to post on GN.

Until now these the political threads have been dominated by Labour and Liberals who have repeated the mantra "Tories do not care, haven't got hearts and are brainwashed by lies"

So now we are going to throw the country to the wolves - I suppose I have to accept it but don't expect me to be happy about it
A leaver 'friend' announced that this was going to make Britain GREAT again........I shall be waiting with bated breath for this to happen

Firstly, my husband would have liked a postal vote ut he was denied it because he did not have "grounds". The fact he chooses to remain indoors and wont go out anymore is not good enough because he does not have a suitable diagnosis .

My mother is in a similar situation. She is simply "old". she can walk. She has not seen a doctor in 20 years so is considered able to go to the polling station despite the fact it is 200 yeards up the road but would mean 40 mins walk for my elderly mum ( nonagenarian) because she walks so slowly and its up hill. Again no diagnosis and no other reason ( unlike the twice voting students - dont tell me they didnt I know some who have admitted personally to me they did because they didnt know otherwise , I didnt report them - who vote by post in their homes and in person in university towns..... I do not think it was insignificant that the only bits of red (Labour) were in university towns where the students reside.

So now we are going to throw the country to the wolves Dannirae.

The majority of the voters thought about it. They had to choose between a rock and a hard place and they decided differently to you. Try and be a good loser.

Bt the way, my mum, for what it is worth, thought this so important that she did go out and she did walk up that hill slowly and she did shuffle into the polling station and she did cast that vote - for the Conservatives. ( after a lifetime of abstaining or voting Labour.). She is also a Leave voter.

She even suffered the nasty coment and indignity of being publically accused by one of those government officers who seeing her shuffle in slowly and a little unsteady after that long walk accused her of being drunk! ( I bet that nasty woman was a remain voter - cant see anyone else believing a 90+ year old was drunk!).

Yes I did report the comment to both the new MP and to the Council who put those gob smites in the polling stations to give out the ballot papers (they are not there to make comments).

Other members of my family old and young (except my husband) did the same.

As I said on another thread, the country has spoken and most people are feeling positive, but the doom mongers are in full flow on these boards. They have decided Armageddon is here and Boris is the antichrist.

I agree that does seem to be the case here. I can only assume that gransnet forums are skewed from the general population.

I bet that nasty woman was a remain voter - cant see anyone else believing a 90+ year old was drunk!).

What a silly cheap remark, I am sorry, april a whole series of remarks you have made in this fashion make you sound like a corbynista and devalues everything you post. Please return to the sensible thoughtful standard you started with.

Jo Swinson lost her seat too - she went to battle on the "Stop brext" ticket and now we know what her constituents thought of that

Jo Swinson lost her seat to SNP - another Remain party.
SNP made gains in Scotland, winning 48 of 59 seats.

I bet that nasty woman was a remain voter

Indeed that woman was nasty, aprilrose and I'm glad you have complained.
Your comment about nasty = remain voter is also nasty.
Think on.

What a silly cheap remark, I am sorry, april a whole series of remarks you have made in this fashion make you sound like a corbynista and devalues everything you post. Please return to the sensible thoughtful standard you started with

Says you. I could make the comment that I find your comments daft or silly or be even more candid and say what I think of them but I chose instead to comment only where I think I want to make a point.

Yes, the one about the polling offical being a remainer might be below the belt but lets face it, by and large it is remain voters who hurl insults more than leave ones.

It wasn't just that one comment, there was more, but I thought that was sufficient. You know you can do better.