Will the remainers admit defeat?

Greta - why should I need to waste time and bandwidth repeating something I explained back in September in another thread?

Unnecessary attempts to goad in my opinion. Find someone else.

Or could it have been that his "friend" Gove told us all what he really thought of him - that he was totally unfit to be PM?

This, in the Telegraph today is heartening. As it’s behind a paywall I’ve not done a link.

“In trying to achieve One Nation, Boris was hindered at every turn by Tories who had that phrase constantly on their lips.

It was neighed by old warhorses like Sir John Major, Lord Heseltine, Lord Patten of Barnes and Kenneth Clarke, with answering whinnies from rebels who left the party, such as Dominic Grieve, David Gauke, Anna Soubry and Heidi Allen.

On Thursday night, every single one of the rebels lost. They leave a Conservative Party at last united, strong and, south of the border, all but omnipresent.

They also leave a government with a large overall majority in the hands of a single, mainstream, broad-based, ancient political party.

That is more, much more, than any other major European country can manage just now. It will make our forthcoming trade negotiations so much easier: we shall be united, the EU divided. Until now, it has been the other way round.”
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Are you trying to say that if you are a remainer you work less hard than other people

I do not think so. I am saying they demand more of others and expect others to fall into line with their wish lists without allowing others have their own lives and wishes. It seems to me to be a desire for control of others.

Another problem with Welshwifes list is that it is someone elses anyway. As she said " Stolen from a friend".

Does she not have any opinions of her own?

My opinion only. The UK will leave on 31/1/2020. The Conservative party got in with 80 seats. Unless you live in Johnson’s constituency you didn’t vote for him, you voted for your local MP. The Conservative party chose BJ as their leader and hence he is the PM.

Other EU countries are asking their migrants to return to build their country. In Portugal they are offering tax breaks and 6K euros. In Poland they are offering tax breaks etc. Some countries are talking about limiting their people leaving their countries!

Difficult for those that wish to remain in the EU to understand that people will want to go home eventually to their own countries and that they may prefer this to living without family etc.

My opinion, the EU has created with freedom of movement a lot of displaced people.

Who will BJ blame when he gets found out?

aprilrose Over 16 million people voted remain, are you really saying that 16 million people, a cross section of the population of the country, including the majority of the population of Scotland and Northern Ireland^demand more of others and expect others to fall into line with their wish lists without allowing others have their own lives and wishes. It seems to me to be a desire for control of others.^

What tosh. Should I assume that every leaver in this country thinks like you?

Probably the people who were daft enough to vote him in!

Yes. MOnica, we have always had a first last the post system though. It’s only since the 2016 referendum that proportional representation has been bought back to the fore. Those countries that choose to have that sort of vote usually end up having election after election.

One thing though, I was surprised at the lowish turnout again. I know it was winter however, there was postal voting etc.

Clearly Welshwife, you come on without reading other people’s posts. Or, I take it you live in his constituency? I apologise if you do.

I believe we should have left when the referendum result came in.

Welshwife
I think you should inform your friend that she/he has some facts wrong. It's only the WA that has to be agreed by the 31st Jan. Then we go into talking trade. This must be agreed by Dec 2020.

I understand the WA will be the first to be agreed and the trade agreements will take probably years longer.

It is just that those things were all promised at the time of the referendum so not unreasonable to expect them to be delivered.

I think Johnson speaks as if Brexit will be done and dusted by 31st January. As for leaving when the result of the referendum result came in, do you REALLY believe it's that simple??

Aprilrose - sorry, but I find your post 18.01 very strange, it makes no sense, I have no idea what you are talking about!

Labaik I don’t think Boris thinks Brexit in its entirety will be ‘done and dusted’. That would be naive. He’s certainly not daft.

However I do think 31 January 2020 (or before - I think he’ll get the WA ratified earlier) marks a watershed moment. There’ll be NO going back and the significance won’t be lost in that action.

So ‘done and dusted’ metaphorically. Quite a statement.

Urmstongran How can you claim with any degree of certainty what Johnson thinks? Or are you claiming that he's deliberately misled people? Surely not!

* Greta* - That's what I pray for every day.
Only God knows what will come out of this mess.

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Welshwife posted something that she agreed with and, quite rightly pointed out that she hadn't written it. Because, if she hadn't done so, someone would have picked up on it and used it against her. What is wrong with quoting something we agree with but didn't write ourselves? If it's ok to do so I'd like to send it to a friend also if that's ok.

Should I assume that every leaver in this country thinks like you?

No, but as with everything there will be some like me, so similar to me but more accommodating etc. ( and some will think quite differently), just as not all of the 16 million who voted remain are not out to make the demands in Welshwifes list or who still have some kind of belief that their needs must be put above the majority of 17.4 million who voted to leave and are still the majority and democracy works on majority, not the minority, no matter how big that minority think they are.

Size of UK population eligible to vote.

‘The total number of UK Parliamentary electors in December 2018 was 45,775,800,...’

Source: ONS www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/elections/electoralregistration/bulletins/electoralstatisticsforuk/2018

People are entitled to their own opinion. Whether you agree with them or not. All I know for sure is that Johnson and his cronies will do very well out of this. The rest of us will pay. Apart from that nothing, but nothing is certain.