Will the remainers admit defeat?

Missing the point completely, I absolutely know 90+ year olds who get drunk. They also go ballroom dancing weekly.

Not all are frail weak old things

That is total nonsense aprilrose
Firstly, my husband would have liked a postal vote ut he was denied it because he did not have "grounds". The fact he chooses to remain indoors and wont go out anymore is not good enough because he does not have a suitable diagnosis

I've had a postal vote for years and there was no special requirement other than I often worked away from home.

On the serious matter of getting Brexit done and dusted and getting behind BJ. On whatever day that occurs, my DGS will officially become a 'foreigner' and I'm very upset and angry about that. It also affected parts of my job and a huge amount of my DD's employment.

So no, I won't be 'getting behind' any of it. It's what the masses voted for, so this remainer says get on with it. I'm just going to get on with my life.

I often worked away from home.

That i considered a reason. I looked into it for my husband and I was told we had no reason. Ditto my mother. They are not away from home. They have no disability diagnosis no reason according the the council register

summerlove, my mother is far from frail and weak. She is in good health for her age, but she does have dificulty walking.

It did not require some smart a* LG officer to say she was drunk. She was not drunk. However, even if she had been, the smart a* comment was not necessary from anyone.

My mother, like the rest of my family are "Temperance" We dont drink.

The person was out of line, however your comment that 90 yr olds don’t get drunk was a silly generalisation to me

Aprilrose - I don't know who told you that you have to have a particular reason to want a Postal Vote, you don't! I worked in the Electoral Registration office at our local Council (now retired) and unless there has been a recent drastic change in the law that I am unaware of (I have just checked online and there hasn't) anyone can request one. You definitely do not need a reason. Please contact your Electoral Registration Dept and explain what you have been told and make sure you request Postal Votes for all in your family that want one!

Curlywhirly, I think they probably have to request their own postal votes.
There are no restrictions such as you describe, aprilrose.

We just asked for a postal vote and got it. No one asked us why.

We applied as soon as the election was announced as we had a holiday booked and we would be away on polling day. It was for this election only but we could have had an indefinite one had we wanted it.

If you had gone online the process might have been easier and clearer.

I hope there is some new legislation for postal votes however, because as I understand it the system is abused. It must be one person one vote. There have also been rumours around students registering at both home and university and possibly voting twice.

FarNorth, applying online would be easier, but not all are online, so in those cases, I would contact the office and ask for application forms to be sent to whoever wanted one.

The council demanded a reason and gave me a list of choices including working away, out of the country and disabled. In the case of the last a doctors certification was required. It said no other reasons acceptable and that was as recently as June this year.

It was not for lack of trying.

I would speak to your MP or the Electoral Commission.

Chestnut there have always been minor irregularities. Remember the Irish dictum, that dates back a long way. Vote early, vote often. As the same person would change outfit and go out to vote as anyone on the register who was too dead or too lazy to vote for themselves.

And while there are a handful of seats whose majority is so marginal it could make difference, for most constituencies, it will not make any difference.

Systematic cheating that was effective would probably require at least a million fake votes to make a difference in most elections.
000s of votes to

I have read this whole thread.....
It seems no one has noticed that only 43% of those who actually voted, voted for the party that won.
For those who "can't spell Pinocchio" that means 57% of those who voted did not vote for the party that won!

A marvellous situation if you think about it.

You don't always fight something just to win it. You fight it because you believe that it is bad and, because of that you don't suddenly change your mind. Those people that fought against being in the EU for many years did so because they thought it was bad. There is still not a single person I trust or respect that came out in favour of leaving the EU and I will never listen to Tim Wetherspoon, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson and Trump. As far as I'm concerned, I fought on the right side and shall continue to do so.

No reason is needed for a postal vote. However for a proxy vote there are are different forms depending on the reason for requesting a proxy vote.

When will the leavers admit that they may have "won", because of our appallingly undemocratic FPTP voting system, but it is still the case that for the last three years the overwhelming majority of polls showed that most folk in the UK want to remain in the EU and this was confirmed by a majority voting in the GE for parties which wanted to remain or were offering a second referendum?

This is a travesty of democracy - a minority of votes obtaining a majority of MPs so they can do what they like for the next five years and ruin our country to the advantage of the tax dodging billionaires and Mr Putin.

Johnson, like his friend Trump has been handed power by a MINORITY of voters.

Ah Pagzy, that could well be where the confusion lies with aprilrose: Proxy Vote as opposed to Postal Vote.

Varian Trump was running a two horse race, so yes, he won with less than half the votes, which sounds unfair, but is how ntheir system runs.

In the UK we no longer run 2 horse races. Our races have, usually three or four horses running all with different characteristics, you cannot just then say it is unfair because if you add up the votes of all the other runners they had more votes than the winner. You are adding the votes of voters who made very different political decisions and possibly voted for parties utterly opposed to each other.

All you can say is that having added up the votes for all the parties, one party was the winner by getting more votes than the second past the post and the same applies when all the seats and votes are aggregated. I would certainly resent it if my vote was treated as if it was the same as a Labour vote and aggregated with it.

Why have you been so grumpy since the election? I thought you were a fellow Lib Dem. In an election like this, which was a grudge match between the thugs of the other two parties, we were bound to be squeezed and we had in our manifesto policies that were bound to play badly with the electorate. In constituencies like mine, where Labour didn't stand a chance there was a nearly 20% swing to the Lib Dems, one of the biggest in the country.

I think when the detailed analysis comes out, I think Lib Dems will be seen to have lost votes where the two big boys were eyeball to eyeball and have gained where this wasn't the case - as in my constituency.

So cheer up, things are not as bad as they look!

Varian, yes, Trump lost the popular vote by 2,868,686 votes! Crazy, isn't it? As M0nica says, it's how the system works over here. Crappy system, IMHO.

Whether those who voted to leave go on fighting is neither here or there at this very moment and probably none of the OPs business. They are not a clumped together group and will each make their own decision.

Leaving is not the "right" answer, it is the chosen answer and majorities if that is how you choose to see this, can be wrong, of course they can.

The nastily put, heavily biased OP has been written so the writer may, rather than just stirring yet again, want other people's thoughts (although I doubt it having read it). If so mine would be that all of us, whatever we thought was best for the country will no doubt wait and see for the time being.

Stop saying 'the country voted to leave. It didn't jst over half the country did. I am not arguing the Leave vote and never have, they won, we all leave, but just do not present as a 'country decision'.

I doubt we would be having this argument if Labour or the Lib Dem’s had won the election. It would have been onward and upward for pulling Article 50 and that would be that.

Proportional representation has reared its head since 2016 and because the vote didn’t go the way of those who wished to remain. PR leads to hung parliaments and we all know where that got us. Nothing gets done in the countries where their parliaments are hung with Italy being a long standing victim of this. Also they still have or definitely had in the past a leader who well what can we say “was as bent as a nine Bob note”. No wonder Italians are leaving in their droves.

Who started another "nasty" thread CoolioC. They should have a special category on here "Nasty threads for people who forget what majorities can do to a country."

Anyone can go on challenging for as long as they like. This I doubt we would be having this argument if Labour or the Lib Dem’s had won the election. on past history is rubbish and I imagine you know it is.