Dear Conservative Voters,

IMO it was about Brexit, but not simply people wanting to leave the EU, but people wanting it be resolved. Two years is a long time in politics and JC spent most of that time sitting on the fence, and not declaring his party's position.

It was also about his ineffectiveness as a leader of his own party. He talked the talk about dealing with anti-semitism
for example but didn't walk the walk.

I for one couldn't picture him on the world stage dealing with other leaders, he has no presence and just doesn't command respect. He never performed particularly well in the HOC for example particularly when it came to PM's questions.

You underestimate the people if you really believe they voted the way they did because of "the vitriol poured into people's ears by the MSM" and "Boris being seen on the TV so much".

IMO people could see that JC and the party were promising to throw money around like confetti, and the country can't afford it. Not everyone was impressed with free broadband and free travel for a younger age group.

Thankfully not enough believed either in the list of free be's promised, or the Labour party's ability to get its sums right.

JC is the leader of the Labour party. He took them into a GE for a second time and he lost. As leader the responsibility is ultimately he is and he should do the honourable thing and resign.

His failure to accept that it was not just brexit alone that lost the GE shows me that not only is he not prepared to listen to his own people, he's not prepared to listen to the electorate either.

My answer to all your questions Grany is no.

janeainsworth Mon 16-Dec-19 15:51:12
The trouble with blaming the right-wing press, or the BBC, or even Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum for Labour’s worst election result for nearly 100 years, is that it allows the LP to see themselves as victims.

It isn't about BLAMING the press. It is about acknowledging that Murdoch's press will undertake a highly targeted objective designed to keep capitalism firmly in place. How do you undo that kind of control? People on here quote things that were obvious lies, never thinking to check the facts. TRUMP himself acknowledged this process, 'alternative facts'.

I don't think of myself as particularly intellectual, but I'm SHOCKED at how much some people blithely take in as truth when it is so obviously a lie. The Diane Abbott 2 left shoes thing as a case in point.

The BBC has shocked me this time round, with their obvious favouritism. A shame, but therefore just another media source that can't be trusted.

As a Labour member, I agree, it is time for JC to go, despite being a great supporter of him. His time has been and gone. Fair enough.

BUT I think Labour will have to change so much to be elected that it won't be a party I'll support anymore. For me, it isn't election at ANY cost (Tony Blair).

Equally, I don't see Labour as victims. I see the working class voters that are blinded by empty Tory lies. People that will decry the continuance of cuts/austerity, never stopping to think it was their vote that helped cause them.

Overall, I see it as a Brexit election. I was a remainer, I accept we are now leaving and would just like it done. Unfortunately, as a person with a multi ethnic family, I have seen first hand the upswing in racism since the referendum. I DO think a lot of leavers are racist. Not all. Some hark back to 'the empire'. But equally, those days are gone. The UK is a minor player in the world due to our size and our lack of production so we will never regain that Victorian height of dominance.

Right. So labour voters are the only ones clever enough to cut through the media agendas and seek the truth ?

I have seen lies you can trace back to Momentum memes spouted on here and on SM and people who repeated/reposted them were utterly unwilling to look at good quality evidence to the contrary.

OFFICIAL labour publications may have been truthful but they turned a blind eye to lies and hate being spread by labour affiliates like NUS and momentum soundbites.

I might be a bit tipsy but I think entering the politics discussions was a big mistake. Usually I can chat about these things and it doesn't really get all cross. It's hard to come across well in type and I forget I am talking to strangers. I am reminded of a saying

The people who matter don't mind and the people that mind don't matter

LOL Starblaze, just LOL hope it’s a good ?

No it's a bit rubbish and I got socks so I've eaten all the quality street as revenge

I'm going back to voting Green so no one cares what I think

I hope you ate all the green Quality Street.

I've eaten all the orange ones

3 guesses what absolutely everyone is talking about.

Socks, would that be in Secret Santa? I remember SS rubbish pressies.

I prefer the purple ones.

Busy sat here in the pouring rain in Portugal scoffing the roses chocs.

Now that's a proper debate

I think people really only mention the B word in public when they are half cut or maybe even fully cut!

If the LP has any hope in the future they need to rid themselves of momentum especially Seumas Milne, whose been wildly 'credited' as being JC's 'brain'.

I agree that this time round Brexit isnt a binary Remain or Leave.

There are Remainers and Leavers who do not want to go through another brexit referendum. The last one was horrible. People on both sides want to put that behind us and move on one way or another.

Coolio I am appalled at what you wrote regarding faces photo shots onto rats and pornographic photos etc. I did not know this happened. This is truly why I personally do not do Twatter, Insta or indeed Facebook it’s all just to self deprecating.

Yes it is shocking what happens endlessly and appears to be becoming some sort of "norm" isn't it Coolio! It is certainly no joking matter and not about women having the vapours ...that stinks of that good old chestnut chucked at women if they speak up " do calm down dear, it's only a joke!!"

I can not understand anyone saying that the BBC were for the Tories and Boris!? We were sick to death of hearing the BBC knock, ridicule, slag off, condemn, etc etc etc the Tories and Boris!!! We really had to try hard to control our anger as were so cross with the BBC. The BBC never let up!!!

In the last few weeks the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation have morphed into the Boris Broadcasting Corporation.

loveOc

You’ll like this one then. skwawkbox.org/2019/12/11/video-reporter-for-impartial-bbc-says-johnson-so-deserves-victory/

Madgran77 I was shocked, I just cannot believe that someone would put someone’s head on a rat or on a pornographic pose this just would not have happened years ago.

I avoid Social media sites as I believe much bullying takes place etc I also believe that Instagram allows advertising that doesn’t have to pass advertising standards, therefore some vulnerable people could be led to believe what isn’t the truth but that’s another story for another time maybe.

When I return to the UK, I do see more people behaving like they are in a soap opera. I pulled up and parked in a car park in Aldi. Got out of the car. The first person that spoke to me in the UK said, “you took my parking place”. Oh, I said did I? Yes, I was goi g to park there. Oh I said, shall I move? Just to be met by “you Fcuk* cow ..charming welcome to the UK.

Not a woman with the vapours there, just a rude 20/30 something.

Coolio yup, sadly your experience doesnt surprise me.

Yes but why Madgran77, I mean why be like this. It just gives the country such a bad look, some girl screaming in the car park. I just walked away.

This was in the south of England in a very nice town. It could have happened anywhere is this how it is now? I left 12.5 years ago.

Where have you been for the last 12 and a half years Coolio?

Portugal, Varian.